2006-11-28, 14:43 | Link #41 |
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OK now Im confused!! Up til now I was under the impression that Lelouch just wanted to bring down Britannia but not rule his own country, most of the thread dealt with the impression of him turning it over to Suzaku and Yuffie (if that happens) but now with the end of epi 7 he says "My army, my country" sooooooooooooo Im kinda lost now.
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2006-11-28, 18:08 | Link #42 | |
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And about Suzaku - well to his own people he is a collaborator, and he has no idea what he is really trying to do. He sure didn't plan to have a sympathetic princess falling into his arms. What if Cornelia order him to kill some innocent "11"s in another ghetto? Neither Euphemia or his watch can protect him from a Gloucester's lance. |
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2006-11-28, 18:27 | Link #43 | |
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A perfect example of this in anime would be the The legend of Galactic Heros. The decay of the goldenbum royal family and the high nobles and the raise of the Reinheart and his low level nobles.
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2006-11-28, 19:39 | Link #46 | |
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Say what if the Britannia emperor suddenly dies and Schneizel the 2nd Prince claim the throne. Do you expect Cornelia to just bow or lead her loyal knights for some Knightmare vs Knightmare action? Britannia will be torn apart. Well that may be exactly what Lelouch wants. |
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2006-11-28, 19:52 | Link #47 | |
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If it was a all out civil war then your are right but the kind of fights i am thinking of has more to do with what happen in the Tang Dynast when the Tang prince trap his brother in the gate to the imperial palace and kill them both and later force his father into retirement. There is also the Ching Dynasty where the imperial succession has a large number of causalties but never a open civil war. It was all done in the shadows with poison and a knief in the dark. As for Scheizel, if somehting like that happen I would expect him to keep news of his father death a secret for long a spossible and int he mean time take out as many of his brother and sister that he feels is a threat ASAP. He would consolidate his power in the palace/capital and military ASAP.
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2006-11-29, 21:25 | Link #48 |
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Suzaku is an idealist.
Lelouch is a realist. Lelouch is powered by his revenge. He doesn't want peace, he just wants the destruction of Brittania and to fulfill this purpose he will do anything, even if it's evil. Suzaku is the epitome of righteousness. He wants peace and he will fulfill this purpose by his principles even if it means he'll have a hard time with it. Personally, I like Suzaku's ideal (EDIT: not anymore) but it looks like Lelouch's the one who is making more progress. But what kind of end are we taking about here? destruction or peace? Last edited by Kai Yukari; 2008-04-17 at 09:44. |
2006-11-29, 21:45 | Link #49 | |
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Looks like his next target probably planning on killing Cornelia How on earth Cornelia change so drastically, SHES SOOOOOO MOE WHEN SHE IS YOUNG |
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2006-11-29, 21:47 | Link #50 | |
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Suzuka wants peace and harmony, but wishes to follow the law. On the other hand, Lelouch wants Britannia to crash and burn. The assumption (quite correctly) is that when an empire crashes and burns, there would be millions killed. That's already put in to consideration as far as Lelouch is concerned, and is dismissed as a trivial matter. Call me cynical, but so far I haven't believed a word Lelouch said as Zero to the cameras. It's all public relations. He wants to defend the weak, but the only weak person he is interested in protecting is his sister. Everyone else is disposable. As an example, in episode 8... Spoiler:
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2006-11-29, 22:01 | Link #51 | |
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2006-11-29, 22:21 | Link #52 |
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morally they should seek the path with the least blood aka suzaku's path, but when it comes to genocide and world domination i think that sometimes you have to be a little violent. They should probably try to work together to come up with a plan. In a normal anime suzaku would be the main character lol, this makes it a whole lot more interesting.
My only problem with lelouch is that he likes blood and violence a little too much, he's killing relatively innocent people (by innocent i mean people that believe in their cause, and truly innocent people like that lady that was falling out of the window that suzaku had to catch) this makes him a little morally questionable (what are his motives anywho!?)
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2006-11-30, 01:19 | Link #53 | |
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lelouch had already hard time with clovis' death. in fact, i guess he would kill anyone against him onlyy if needed (judging of his comments in preview of episode 7, in the episode 6). but it doesn't mean he woud love make a massacre you know... as a side note : it wasn't lelouch direct fault for the falling woman at the shinjuku guetto incident. this kind of loss is colateral
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2006-11-30, 01:32 | Link #54 |
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the main thing that distinguishes lulu from laght is that lulu does not or wish not to kill any innocent people...just the britannia scums that deserve it in his opinion...so basically anyone that works for britannia he has a natural hatred for but he wont go and just kill the innocent even if he wanted publicity...
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2006-11-30, 04:08 | Link #55 | |
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Lelouh wouldn't kill innocent people for fun (he isn't a sadist), but he would be willing to do anything if the reward is large enough. We are talking about someone who is willing to (threaten) shoot himself in the head in order to get the upper-hand over CC. I also don't agree with Missilebuster. Lelouch does NOT like blood or violence. He merely doesn't dislike it. He wouldn't deliberately chose the most violent means to get what he want, but if violence is the most efficient way, that's the way he will take. It's all about efficiency to him; that's why he disagree with Terrorism. Terrorism is all about violence, but it doesn't actually achieve anything useful for anyone.
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2006-11-30, 04:59 | Link #56 | |
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that's true, but if killing innocent people is a good way to get what he wants (destruction of britannia empire), it would be merely hard for them to be "innocent" in the first place. ( if innocent are standing against his way, it would be hard for them to be "innocent" so...) what i meant is : involving innocent people with an effective way against the empire is hard to imagine. (except the orange incident which is most likely identical to terrorism, i don't see a lot of possibilities) like you said, terrorism is a petty way for him. now destroying the empire would most likely involve only the noble household and the army. if innocent are killed, i guess those would be the result of some colateral damage, but absolutely not a priority target for a certain plan. How would he gain some benefit of killing innocent people, except public hatred? (well this is my opinion though)
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2006-11-30, 05:16 | Link #57 |
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Well, he might frame the Britannian army for the killing of innocent Britannians, simply to get the public on his side, start revolts, whatever. I'm not sure he'd be willing to go that far, but that's an example of how killing innocents might help him. Not saving innocents that he could easily save is a bit more imaginable, which is morally kind of the same thing.
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2006-11-30, 05:18 | Link #58 |
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this is possible however, it won't really be possible since he really doesn't want tu use terrorism or any britannian in the first place.
however he will probably use the public opinion, that's for sure.
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2006-11-30, 05:50 | Link #59 | |
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That doesn't mean Zero can't amplify said brutality though, (e.g. using bombs in episode 8) or to organise the mass-media to make existing acts of brutality look worse than usual through the sensationalism of reporters. The most damaging kinds of lies are those that are mixed with the truth. Episode 8 is the first solid evidence that Lelouch is willing to deceive the innocents... The question is, where does this lead? If you are willing to deceive innocent people for your own ends, how far would you need to go before the needs of the innocents were disregarded all together? Lelouch made a promise not to tell lies to his sister, but he made it clear then, that anyone else is fair game.
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