2009-02-22, 03:25 | Link #81 | |
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From what I gathered, you're saying most yaoi/slash fans don't like yuri or girl/girl, no? While I'm aware that there is a small portion of blithering fangirls who go "EEEEWW, TWO GIRLS??? ICKY!11!!!" at yuri, there are plenty of guys who love yuri and think yaoi is just sick. It definitely works both ways there, which is pretty stupid. But from what I've seen, many are fans of both genres. I'll watch/read both yaoi and yuri, if the story's good enough. I know you're bringing fanfiction into this, but since when did fanfic have standards? You seem to think all of us slash random dudes together for no reason. And since when do we hate other girls in anime and real life? What reason would we have for that? You baffle me. |
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2009-02-22, 04:17 | Link #83 | |
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I'd certainly say, as has been mentioned previously, that the percentage of males whose "brains flinch", as Vexx so eloquently put it, outweighs the number of girls who do the same when fronted with their genders homosexual couples. Just look at society. It is much more socially acceptable for a girl to be bisexual or sexually fluid than a guy. I think generally women are more accepting of their sexual fluidity than men, and as a result are generally more open to watching homosexual content. Emphasis on generally. That said, there are WAAAAAY too many sterotypical fans of both genres. The "KyAa!!!1onetwo Kowaiiiiii desu" yaoi fangirls and the "I wish I was a lesbian" fanboys. There are evils on both sides. |
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2009-02-22, 12:07 | Link #85 | |
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Ohhh, musouka, you're too awesome!
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Now what does it really take for an anime production company to be daring and adapt something that's yuri? I always have this belief if some company is willing to put some effort in adapting a certain title, and it ends up being a surprise hit, it'll reshape whatever connotations the fans have on yuri and thus getting evolved beyond these subtextual romantic friendship plots.
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2009-02-22, 13:04 | Link #86 | |
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I love Yaoi. I don't like Yuri...I have watched a show with a yuri couple. It's just nothing I will try to find. The idea of two girls just doesn't float my boat.
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Most people think that gay women are women who have been hurt by guys so they seek out each other. The men are just gay... I don't agree, but it is a little truth do it...since I know a lot of chicks that went that way, for just that reason. |
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2009-02-22, 13:37 | Link #87 |
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I dont like either Yuri OR Yaoi. I like Shoujo-Ai and Shounen-Ai. Its much more sweet and not about sex. ^-^ And it actually has a plot! *le gasp* Between the two Ai's though, I like Shoujo-Ai better. ^3^ I dont know why but I just think its more sweet~ Like animes like Gokujou Seitokia! It has the faint Shoujo-Ai in it! <3
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2009-02-22, 14:01 | Link #88 | |
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Shoujo-ai doesn't exist; things like Gokujou Seitokia are just moe.
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2009-02-22, 14:08 | Link #89 | |
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The EMOTIONAL ASPECTS of the relationship are called Shoujo-Ai by us western fans. >: So it does exist. *nodnod* The relationship between Kanade and Nanaho is definitely called Shoujo-Ai.
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2009-02-22, 15:47 | Link #90 | |
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I like either, I don't have to have sex in the manga or whatever... I just don't see a difference...it's all stick and balls to me... |
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2009-02-22, 15:58 | Link #91 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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"Another example: The term 少女愛 (shoujo ai) does exist in Japanese, but it’s used more often as a synonym for lolicon (”feelings of love towards young girls”) than for Girls’ Love (”lesbianism”). I kid you not. The first page of results on google for 少女愛 gives you nothing but lolicon-related articles. In English, we use it only for the latter meaning." -taken from this slightly not safe for work blog post: http://www.darkmirage.com/2006/09/09...ntai-vs-ecchi/ |
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2009-02-22, 20:48 | Link #92 | |
HI, BILLY MAYS HERE
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The stereotypical generalization (Or for the most part, the truth) of straight guys usually follows through as guys merely wanting to be damn lucky spectators; I haven't heard of a single guy anywhere in my anecdotal experience that would be willing to give up their gender just to be in the middle of some girl-on-girl action... Of course, that's where guys know the difference between a lesbian and a bi...But that's something else... |
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2009-02-23, 13:48 | Link #94 | ||
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When you have men writing MariMite doujinshi, that is creating the basis for the infrastructure I'm talking about---guys will read those doujinshi, be more open to looking for more yuri in other series, and create their own scenarios based on that. Having yuri manga series aimed at guys so they can get a feel for the genre besides "fanservice in shounen manga" is another step in the right direction. Quote:
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2009-02-23, 13:54 | Link #95 |
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Oh, and as far as yuri-hating BL fangirls go, that's absolutely ridiculous. I can't remember the last time I've seen a BL fangirl actually say "ewwwww, yuri!"--the most I've seen is an admitted "not my thing", and this is even on places like Gaia or Aarinfantasy.
On the other hand, we see yuri fans in this very thread talking about how disgusting "yaoi" is. I'm not saying all yuri fans are like that, or even most of them are. My issue is with that somehow this is something only BL fangirls should be stigmatized for, when in reality it's a much bigger problem on behalf of "yuri-only" fans. Also, as far as bashing characters goes, I've lost count how many times I've seen a Tomoyo/Sakura fan bash Saoran, or a Nanoha/Fate fan bash Yuuno. This is the sort of thing that happens among all types of fans and all types of pairings, so that's something to keep in mind when you feel the urge to generalize.
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2009-02-23, 20:07 | Link #96 | |
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I guess I'm looking for a yuri title that'll get animated that does use yuri as the main driving force for the plot and be popular and profitable among the otaku (on the back of my mind, I'm putting Candy Boy on the fence until the series is completely done).
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2009-02-24, 20:22 | Link #97 | ||
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This is much the same in that not all yaoi-loving fangirls are illiterate, raving lunatics. My understanding is that that comment was more about the concept behind the stereotypical, fanboy/girl mentality than anything else. Quote:
Ultimately there are going to be close-minded fangirl/boys of both genres who contribute negatively to the fanbase. Personally, I'm of the opinion if you don't like; don't watch it, and quit annoying the people who do. |
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2009-02-25, 16:42 | Link #98 |
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Its true that yaoi is many times bigger than yuri but it wasn't bothers me at all because hentai is many times bigger than yaoi. As a yuri fanboy myself I hate when yaoi fangirls labeled us as perverts when we enjoyed yuri and hentai but at same time they can enjoyed yaoi. Isn't that a double-standard?
For me yuri is a non-pornographic alternative to hentai. That's why yuri always smaller than yaoi and like it on that way. Many other yuri fanboys here complained that yuri is smaller than yaoi but isn't that a good thing? At least I'm not as stupid as those yaoi fangirls are. Of course I don't hate yaoi but I only hate yaoi fangirls alone. Many yuri fanboys also claimed Maria-sama ga Miteru is a yuri but I don't think so. MariMite is a shoujo, not seinen like most yuri shows. While I love both Marimite and Strawberry Panic but those two shouldn't be alike. Strawberry Panic is a seinen show that exclusivly made for men and women should stay away from it like men on yaoi shows. I knew some women are actually found it interesting as much as men look on yaoi shows in same way. I think homosexuality in fiction is "natural", regardless where they came from. Just look any novels written by Western authors which is lack of female characters and some of them may ends as gays because it is boring for the authors creating too many straight characters. As example Harry Potter has lots of gay undertones but since it was made for teenage boys, some of them never knew about it. |
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