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View Poll Results: Spice and Wolf II - Episode 3 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 75 | 63.03% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 35 | 29.41% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 6 | 5.04% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 2.52% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2009-07-26, 18:07 | Link #121 | |
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Amati is very young and still quite naive but I still can't see his love for Horo anything more than "puppy love". You can never find better than Horo but you can fine a close one, so he is rather rushing things a bit too much. Granted that he hasn't said he will buyout Horo or anything, he still is going to ask for her hand (and under normal circumstances the girl should be saying yes in his mind which is why he is doing this in the first place). I don't think he would just blindly go into something like this if he doesn't think he has any chance of winning. He wants Horo and may do everything he can to get her. Whether he will use force or not will change my opinion on him but for now, the book is still open to judge.
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2009-07-26, 18:09 | Link #122 |
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Doesn't this, somewhat, make Lawrence the bad guy? He's basically conning a gullible kid out of 1000 silver coins. Last time I checked, 2000 is enough to start your own business and set up shop (I believe Lawrence said so way back in the first arc of the first season).
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2009-07-26, 18:12 | Link #123 |
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It does make him somewhat of a big headed prick since he is taking advantage of the relationship he has with Horo when making the decision on the contract. Before the ending incident he had a 100% surefire way of knowing that he will come out of this with nothing but profit. Now he is screwed
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Besides, it's already been established he doesn't like the local girls. How many girl travelers do you think there are? Quote:
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More pragmatically, he isn't an influential trading house. Even if he could hire a few toughs to beat up Lawrence... then what? It'd just bring down the law on him. It wouldn't get him anything. Quote:
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2009-07-26, 19:25 | Link #127 | |
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2009-07-26, 20:20 | Link #128 |
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Golthin, you bring up a VERY good point. I never thought about the reputation aspect of it. If Lawrence did, in fact, refuse that contract, then it would only detract from his logos.
To others, it would appear as if he's using the excuse of debt to keep her to him, possibly against her will. Especially if he refuses even if the contract completely waives her debt and allows her, a nun, an opportunity for emancipation. |
2009-07-26, 20:32 | Link #129 | |
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Lawrence was willing to gamble his relationship with Horo for money. Even if this relationship was buolt on rock solid foundations (and the events at the end is already putting that on shaky ground), the mere fact that he's using it just for monetary gain undermines the sanctity of their relationship.
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2009-07-26, 21:01 | Link #130 |
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I get the point about the reputation, heck it was even stated in the episode that Lawrence can't back away from this. Still it doesn't mean he blindly went into it without thinking that it doesn't matter since Horo won't leave him any time soon.
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2009-07-27, 01:55 | Link #132 | ||
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2009-07-27, 08:26 | Link #133 | |
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What an amazing episode!
Hilarious, romantic, thrilling, sad... it had everything. Three cheers for the director! Quote:
Personally I hoped for something like: Lawrence tearing apart his clothes and screaming "YES, LETS MAKE WOLFBABIES", similar to this scene in "Anchorman". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmvbcMLxdrU |
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2009-07-27, 12:02 | Link #134 | |
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So if you want more awesome episodes you'd better pray that they follow novels closely. |
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2009-07-27, 13:17 | Link #136 |
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Who said anything about "force"? The point is, she has an obligation to Lawrence, and the way ("her" is, as you remarked it, more unilateral than it should be) she repays it is by staying with Lawrence.
Just like a burger flipper flips burgers because he has a contractual obligation to do so, not because he particularly likes it. In the latter's case, he could chose to quit, in which case he ceases to be paid. In Horo's case, she could chose to quit, in which case she - in Amati's mind - has a debt she has no way to repay. In Rubinhagen, it means, if you remember S1, all the hair and teeth taken away, followed by a short, painful life in a lightless mine. I don't know what the laws in Kumerson have to say about it. |
2009-07-27, 14:00 | Link #137 |
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OMG could Koshimizu Ami have done any better? Im thinking not. Emotional, illogical, desperate and just losing it came out in one thunderous scene that had my jaw to the floor. We have seen Horo for the most part be that wise arrogant ever so self confident wolf that she is. We have seen her sad or flustered on a handful of occasions but never like this. If anything this showed Horo's human side. i dont know how else to put it but that way even though she is deity and a wolf. Feeling a sense of loss can make one very emotional and irrational and so for Horo to make the comment about mating one can see how desperate and alone she felt at that moment.
The question now is can Lawrence and her reconcile and what price will their relationship pay for Lawrence's basically making money off her since thats basically what hes doing. But then again if i were in his shoes and thought about the consequences of refusing the contract i might have done the same thing. I think it was hard choice honestly i dont know what i would have done. Amanti sure did manage to cause a lot of trouble i dont think badly of him since Horo is not Lawrences woman but still this is a difficult situation. excellent
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2009-07-27, 14:38 | Link #138 | |
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2009-07-27, 15:23 | Link #139 |
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Yes, and...?
Horo uses a "sad tone of voice", and speaks of herself as an "ill-fated woman". How does any of that contradict what I said? And from what Amati's said, she said her treatment hasn't been that good. Lawrence made no real effort to dispel that illusion, merely stating that despite everything, she might still wish to travel with him. Which, come to think of it, looks like no more than a way to wash his hands off the possibility that Horo might refuse Amati's proposal - for whatever reason. |
2009-07-27, 15:42 | Link #140 | |
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