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View Poll Results: Spice and Wolf II - Episode 3 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 75 | 63.03% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 35 | 29.41% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 6 | 5.04% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 2.52% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2009-07-28, 16:30 | Link #161 |
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that is why he was keeping the info a secret. his mistake was that he believed that Horo couldn't read because of his preconceptions about women and what she told him. He is thinking more of Horo as a normal woman and forgetting that she is a wise being.
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2009-07-28, 19:18 | Link #164 | |
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She didn't really need that skillset in her life as a giant wolf. Even so, Lawrence's assumption was that wise Horo WOULD be able to read, when he handed her the earlier letter in the first place. When he thought that she wouldn't be able to read the second letter, he was simply taking her at her word. Spoiler:
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2009-07-28, 19:44 | Link #165 | |
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And watching village youngsters from far away does not count as well as she is not interacting with them. So yeah she does not have all that much human society experience or at very least the recent human society (and rules, traditions and acts do change with time). |
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2009-07-28, 23:09 | Link #166 | ||
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2009-07-29, 00:29 | Link #167 | |
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2009-07-29, 02:48 | Link #168 | |
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Horo must have been socially active before Rome's collapse. Lets see when could it happen shall we: We all know that in AD 313, the Emperor Constantine made Christianity legal and they were allowed to openly worship, but Horo does not know that meaning that she was active before that, and I do not think I need to tell you hove different is lets say society of AD 200 Rome society from the Chrurch era? Its like talking about the Self notion change during Socrates and during Descartes era (as you know during Socrates era they did not have had understanding off Self the way it changes during Descartes era and still remains during our times). The whole society changed quite a lot after Rome's collapse and this affected the individual behaviour as well. The knowledge that she obtained during the old times while still not completely useless decreased in the usage thus despite living so much and despite traveling before that she can not know how do the youths act since simply poeple behaviour during those times and these were different. |
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2009-07-29, 09:53 | Link #169 | |
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and what you are descibing doesn't have to do as much with expirience as it does with knowledge, which is faster obtained, and horo's knowledge accumulated while traveling with lawrence is probably enough to confidently interact within orthodox church(present) society. and also, i am a philosophy student, so your patronising isn't very well placed. |
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2009-07-29, 10:53 | Link #170 |
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You are a philosophy student? Nice to meet you (I am philosophy magister myself).
While traveling with Lawrence she doesn't gain all that much knowledge with interacting with youths and understanding their behavior is what is at the question here. She understood the basic differences but understanding the changes in behaviours are far more reaching. Personally I would recommend you reading Meadow's works regarding this particular theme (he is partial philosopher too though much more known for his sociology works) as in how society's perception and general behavior changes with the course of time and I doubt Horo can understand all nuances from todays behavior thats why we can say she is inexperienced while dealing with people like Amiati in that society. |
2009-07-29, 11:32 | Link #171 | |
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well reading doesn't hurt. if you read into horro's life and compare it to human's, she's most probaly had more than a human's lifetime expirience(and we humans consider over 18 years to already be mature in society's way) with church, if she didn't know how widespread they are, doesn't mean that doesn't know their ways. and the influence of society on individual is still indirect, which is what I have been sayin all along. human pshyche is direct, if it wasn't so, psyhology would be redundant. |
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2009-07-29, 11:56 | Link #172 |
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It was 4+2 in my case.
She could not come into contact with church since back then it was still hidden and small organization (and illegal) unless she was a member of it herself which she was not. So she could not have had lifetime experience with church as it was pretty much impossible - it was way too secret. She could have known about it some things but nothing in detail. |
2009-07-29, 17:22 | Link #173 | |
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I think he heard her say "sorry", but misunderstood what it meant. I think Lawrence felt she meant "Sorry, but I don't want to see you right now" |
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2009-07-29, 23:27 | Link #174 | |
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2009-07-30, 07:23 | Link #176 | |
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Im curious now, what kind of other specialist do we have here? Myself I am an electrical (degreed) engineer..... yes, I love S&W although there is no electricity in it. |
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2009-07-30, 11:05 | Link #177 |
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I'm also an electrical engineer by degree (though most of my career had more to do with aerospace control systems, software design, system simulations, physics, and a stint in network architecture/security). I'm an avid hobbyist in medieval and ancient civilizations, particularly the technologies from those time periods. I'm also fascinated by linguistics and language evolution. Blahblahblah....
So S&W appeals to me on multiple levels - the display of technologies, the economics, the language, the fantasy premise, and damn-it-all the goddess ホロ。 I haven't said much about the three episodes so far because frankly, I'm basking in them. I want to see how the arc plays out before I vote on episodes though solid "9"s are most probable.
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2009-07-30, 13:12 | Link #179 | |
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2009-07-30, 15:37 | Link #180 |
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Shaking hands happened when the contract was made and thus happened a while ago so it doesn't mean she has experience in dealing with modern youths.
The second point is much better - that Amiati acts old-fashioned himself - but this is mere our own impresion - and it may still be beyond Horo's grasp. |
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