2010-12-19, 09:55 | Link #1761 | |
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What can I say? I feel sorry for her. And I feel sorry for Tohru, and for Ritchan and all the others who were killed (well, at least the ones we can be sympathetic to). For Kaori and Akira too. And I'm starting to feel sorry for Toshio, who's now realising the insanity he's unleashed. As for those I don't really feel sorry for? Megumi, Tomio (the huge guy), Seishirou (so far in the anime, anyway). Natsuno I'm still ambivalent about. I think I liked him more before he came back. @orion As for Sunako's family, it's implied that they grew old and died. Certainly, they shrunk from what you'd say was their responsibility to stake her. But that only supports the argument that it is humans who started the whole cycle of dehumanising.
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2010-12-19, 10:23 | Link #1762 |
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Sorry,should have made it clear that I wasn't aiming that comment at you,it was a general comment,you might not be trying to defend her actions but I've heard some that do. Don't get me wrong,I do feel sorry for Sunako. I don't see why thinking "she's getting what she deserves" and "feeling sorry for her" have to be mutualy exclusive.
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2010-12-19, 10:47 | Link #1763 | |
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"Feeling sorry for her" doesn't have to be mutually exclusive with thinking "she brought it upon herself". I'm completely willing to acknowledge that she's brought this upon herself. I just feel that most people who don't feel sorry for her aren't trying to understand the kind of life she led until she was able to 'create' the Kirishiki group. (Going by how well Tatsumi knows her, I'd say he was probably her first companion.)
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2010-12-19, 12:58 | Link #1764 | |
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That would be akin to feeling sorry for the people featured in shows like "World's Dumbest Stunt Performers" and similar things. Nobody feels sorry for those people, right? If anyone does, I would be more than a little surprised. Granted, when she was first turned, the entire situation was beyond her control, and so during that period of time some measure of sympathy could be expected. However, I fail to see how that has any bearing on what she is doing now, and how her present actions are supposed to garner any sympathy at all, as she was fully aware of the possible outcomes when she began to put her plans into motion. Plus, from my perspective, feeling sorry for someone because of a past experience which they have obviously dealt with to the best of their ability makes little or no sense. If I felt sorry for people just because of something that happened to them sometime, I would feel sorry for everyone on the planet, when it should be obvious that not everyone is deserving of sympathy. What I mean when I say that some people are not deserving of sympathy is that either their consequent actions were so vile that they lose their right to sympathy, or they have already dealt with the unfortunate occurrences in their lives and "made their peace" with them to the best of their abilities and so they do not need or want sympathy. I believe Sunako falls into the latter category. In short, I can see how she, in her early life, was deserving of a measure of sympathy. However, that time is gone, and has no bearing on her present day actions. (1): I hate using "their" as a genderless singular pronoun, as so many people tend to do these days, but I'm not writing "his or her" over and over, and I am unaware of a better word to portray my meaning that would maintain general grammatical acceptability. |
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2010-12-19, 19:24 | Link #1765 |
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I'm strongly reminded of the old Twilight Zone episode 'The Monsters are due on Maple Street', because what we saw here was that the humans can be just as big monsters as the Shiki - if not worse. Powerful stuff.
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2010-12-19, 19:56 | Link #1766 | |
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I understand she was all alone with no roots until she created her family. Blah, blah, blah. It still doesn't make me feel sorry for her current situation. I have no pity for her whatsoever. She deserves everything she's going to get and then some. (Driving a stake thru her chest is being too nice. They need to get creative with her.)
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2010-12-19, 20:59 | Link #1767 | |
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Tatsumi is pretty hard to read, even in the manga. But I'd say that he probably does care for Sunako, if only because he's willing to do so much for her even though he's more powerful than she is. Seishirou didn't need manipulating - he really was in love with Chizuru. Quote:
I don't approve of her decision to try and turn the village into a Shiki village, but I think I understand why she chose that path. I do feel sympathy for Sunako because of the experiences that shaped her way of thinking, the experiences that made her want to have a Shiki community where they didn't have to hide anymore. But it was a risky decision, and probably an impossible wish. Now she only has herself to blame for the predicament all her people find themselves in, and I don't feel sorry for this part of her situation. Do I think Sunako should "pay for her sins", so to speak? Well, yes. But at the same time, I think that Toshio should be punished somehow for what he did to Kyouko, and that Tomio should be punished for killing the hypnotised human.Looking at the human side then. I personally fail to see how Toshio's experiences of the Shiki walking all over him entail that he should get away with being so inhumane to Kyouko, who hadn't even done anything. You can argue that he had no choice, but I think he had about the same amount of choice that Sunako did. He just chose what he thought was best for the humans. And when he found the villagers ignoring him (around episodes 15-16 was it?), it was just a matter of "what goes round, comes round" to me. Why? Because he did exactly the same thing to Natsuno, even if it was only for a split second. The only characters whose decisions I'm completely supportive of at the moment are Rit-chan, Kaori and Akira (though I am glad Tohru was able to learn something from Rit-chan). If Natsuno goes through with his statement of condemning himself at the end, then him as well, but I'd say the jury's still up in the air about whether that'll happen.
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2010-12-19, 21:42 | Link #1768 | |
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I know it probably seems a bit harsh, but, like I tell my friends "It's not that I lack sympathy, it just happens that not many people deserve it." Last edited by Neat Hedgehog; 2010-12-19 at 23:06. Reason: Fixed a botched quote |
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2010-12-19, 22:52 | Link #1769 | |
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What puzzles me about some opinions here is that they're fully for the humans, to the point of supporting a complete, blind massacre. As TheForsaken already noted once before, many genocides in history happened because of this kind of approach.
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The easiest choice is to go with your own species (or race) regardless of how equally both sides may share atrocities. That's usually a bad idea, though, as has already been pointed out. |
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2010-12-20, 16:14 | Link #1771 |
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I don't understand: why didn't Shiki start a full-scale war? There were about 50 (20 [30%] were killed) shiki left the second night, and they could easily kill the villagers, and avoid being destroyed.
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2010-12-20, 16:53 | Link #1772 | |
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Then there could be a group that's just too scared to do anything. It's easy to be superior when you've got the upper hand but not so easy when you have to work for it.
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2010-12-23, 13:08 | Link #1778 |
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Hope those extra episodes clear up what happened to Akira and his sister, looks like their stories may have gotten shafted to give time to wrap everything else up.
Spoiler for episode 21:
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2010-12-23, 13:09 | Link #1779 |
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20.5 and 21.5 basically means more content from said episode, and there's a lot going on at the moment so not every character can be focused on. It'll more then likely be focused on them.
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2010-12-23, 13:54 | Link #1780 |
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Well - they do specifically say 20.5 and 21.5, don't they? I hadn't noticed that - since the source material does have extra chapters I figured that'd be it.
To me, setting up a cliffhanger in the TV and not resolving it until the DVD extras is kind of dirty pool. It'd suck to have to wait until then to see the Akira and Kaori situations resolved.
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