(L) Sengoku Basara

[plzd0ntkeelme]

Originally Posted by Raiga

There's a difference between the technology level and the actual skill of the animation. Staying on-model, animating movements fluidly and realistically, framing a scene right, lighting, pacing, etc... sure it's now possible to have sharper lines, brighter colors, higher framerate, but the only real change to the essential art of animation that I can see is the advent of 3-D modelling technology. It still takes the same skills to make still pictures move.


... and seeing as this is my first post in the topic. Definitely my over-the-top manly fix of the season, loads of fun to watch. Style shift for the battle did feel a bit out of place, but I still enjoyed it.

So yeah. I like this show. =)

Well, if you don't view the ability to create animation with 'sharper lines, brighter colors, and higher framerate' as skills, then i guess you're right.

[Raiga]

Originally Posted by plzd0ntkeelme

Well, if you don't view the ability to create animation with 'sharper lines, brighter colors, and higher framerate' as skills, then i guess you're right.

They aren't. They're what's limited by technology/budget. By analogy, you give a good artist a crayon and a paper towel and they can still draw something great, but give somebody completely unskilled all the technology we have at our disposal today, and what they produce may be shiny, but it'll still be amateurish.

[plzd0ntkeelme]

Originally Posted by Raiga

They aren't. They're what's limited by technology/budget. By analogy, you give a good artist a crayon and a paper towel and they can still draw something great, but give somebody completely unskilled all the technology we have at our disposal today, and what they produce may be shiny, but it'll still be amateurish.

Um, the software doesn't work by itself. The animators must learn how to use it and use it well in order to get those beautiful crisp graphics. By definition, it is a skill.

And by that analogy, even if the animator is the best drawing artist in the world, I would still hate to see an animation of sketch pictures. A great animation, in my view, must have both the technology and the artistic skills. There is no one or the other.

[SageGaiGar]

Originally Posted by plzd0ntkeelme

Um, the software doesn't work by itself. The animators must learn how to use it and use it well in order to get those beautiful crisp graphics. By definition, it is a skill.

And by that analogy, even if the animator is the best drawing artist in the world, I would still hate to see an animation of sketch pictures. A great animation, in my view, must have both the technology and the artistic skills. There is no one or the other.

...Meh.

You know there can be different animation styles right? And something completely rough and 'sketchy' can be miles above in quality than 'beautiful crisp graphics'.

And the only time I've seen crisp graphics and heavy animation is in movies, or the one episode that costs a show its entire budget. Yes *Budget*. These aren't made for free understand? Every part of the crew needs their pay. And often multiple teams are working on the same show. Not to mention all the other costs. Crisp graphics demands time that is not always available.

I've seen this argument everywhere the 'rough' style is used.

[C.A.]

Anyone can create art. But to create a piece of art that expresses itself well takes skill.

For the art to be appreciated, its up to the audience. The artist can choose to express it anyway he likes, but the audience will not always be able to appreciate. The common saying, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

There is also no one factor that determines whether the animation is good or not. There is only what the audience likes.

This anime actually has great animation and most of us agrees. What you don't like is the style. The sketchy style is actually a very popular and well loved style and technique that enhances the speed of actions. To do the sketchy animation itself is a skill, its just that you don't appreciate this style.

[Duo Maxwell]

To each of his own, is what I can say on this matter. One can't say that it's poor quality just because he doesn't like the style.

[White Manju Bun]

Holy crap, Im 9 mins into epi 1 and totally lovely this anime. Gah gimme feudal Japan historical based anime with a badass lead and great seiyuu cast and Im sold

[MafiaSoldier]

Originally Posted by plzd0ntkeelme

Ep 2 is great, not as good as ep 1 tho cause I found the Date-Yukimura duel to be frikkin' horrible. The animation studio did a really poor job in my opinion.

Kasuga gives some excellent fanservice and Shingen was just badass. Can't wait for the next ep, hoping for an impressive battle with Nobunaga and his minions.

The fight was good, but I felt the weird animation that they would switch to when the characters faces were prevalant was just plain cheesy. They should have focused on the fight and the standard series animation instead of the weird switchover.....

[General_Asakura]

anyone know when the OST is coming out if there is one coming? Absolutely love the music in this anime

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by General_Asakura

anyone know when the OST is coming out if there is one coming? Absolutely love the music in this anime

Two soundtracks are being released. The release date for both is the 10th of June.

[plzd0ntkeelme]

Originally Posted by SageGaiGar

...Meh.

You know there can be different animation styles right? And something completely rough and 'sketchy' can be miles above in quality than 'beautiful crisp graphics'.

And the only time I've seen crisp graphics and heavy animation is in movies, or the one episode that costs a show its entire budget. Yes *Budget*. These aren't made for free understand? Every part of the crew needs their pay. And often multiple teams are working on the same show. Not to mention all the other costs. Crisp graphics demands time that is not always available.

I've seen this argument everywhere the 'rough' style is used.

So? It's not like they're distributing the show for free either. They would earn some from the broadcasting tv station and the thousands of dvds they gonna sell later on. Not to mention the action figures and stuff like that. The keyword is management, something that shouldn't be a problem for professionals in any field.

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

To each of his own, is what I can say on this matter. One can't say that it's poor quality just because he doesn't like the style.

Whether it's style, technique, method, whatever, I call it as whatever I think of it. At the end it's just opinion.

[Cox]

WOW... This show is like DBZ meets Naruto to me. Wild and very interesting

[SageGaiGar]

Just watched ep 3 subbed. Made a little more sense, though still a little confused about Maeda and Matsu. (related/not)

[yezhanquan]

Matsu is the wife of Maeda Toshiie. Also, it should be noted that she was famous for her own abilities.

[SageGaiGar]

Ah, I got the guys mixed up for a moment Cheers.

[White Manju Bun]

Loved epi 2, wow that fight was awesome. I love the dark haired girl with the gun! Getting epi 3 right now, I have a feeling Im gonna have a bit of trouble keeping track of all the names and the titles in this

[Sinestra]

Episode 3 was a slow down from the first 2 after non stop action. But i think the slow down was nice and the humor added over all enjoyment of the series. I am never tired of seeing Masamune Date chopper like reigns on his horse i die laughing everytime i see it.

I wondering what battle they are going to end the series on. It would nice if they decided the final two episodes would be the Battle of Sekigahara when the Eastern and Western armies meet for a very bloody battle and pretty much the end of the warning states period in Japan.

The Maeda family is very cool and very well known for their actions in this time period. I dont care if the series is not historically accurate its very fun to watch as it is.

I actually dont mind the art style it is what it is its not ruining the series for me and thats whats important for me.

Next very famous and ver idealistic hero appears it should be quite interesting.

Right now im waiting on the appearance of these characters but i dont know if they will appear or not.

Tokugawa Ieyasu (yes)
Tadakatsu Honda (yes)

Ishida Mitsunari (if he appears)
Kanetsugu Naoe (yes)

Sakon Shima (if he appears)

Nagamasa Azai (yes)

A couple of more i cant think of right now.

White Manju Bun thats Nouhime your talking about and shes as dark as Nobunaga and pretty HAWT too lol

[White Manju Bun]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

White Manju Bun thats Nouhime your talking about and shes as dark as Nobunaga and pretty HAWT too lol

Thanks I wasnt sure of her name and she is hawt!

[SageGaiGar]

She looks like crap in the OP but when she's intro'ed in EP 2 Oh yeah!

[stormy001_M1A2]

Matsu is also sister of Nobunaga. If I am not mistaken.