(L) Mononoke (Noitamina in July 2007) (Bakeneko sequel)

[wao]

I hate to sound like an ass, but...

Originally Posted by forum rules

The following is a list of media considered "banned" from The Forum because its acquisition is always considered illegal and unethical:

• Fansubs of Licensed Anime
• Scanlations of Licensed Manga
• Any untranslated anime videos (Anime Raws)
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• This list is not exhaustive. Ask a member of staff if you are unsure about posting content.

[runpsicat]

Hmm, but telling people where to find raws is OK? That's why I thought it was allowed in the first place. o.O

[wao]

Actually, I think it isn't either, just that no mod's been floating around in this section of the Wild Wild West the forums. I dunno. Use PM or something? I'm sounding like a bloody backseat driver now so I'm outta here.

[spikky]

Oh my I didn't know that...thanks for the heads up wao! I'll remove the links but leave the names, after all a little google-ing never hurt anyone...

[physics223]

Still, no one has answered my question. Why is there a sub of ep4 without a sub of ep3? What the hell were they smoking?! :3

[spikky]

Originally Posted by physics223

Still, no one has answered my question. Why is there a sub of ep4 without a sub of ep3? What the hell were they smoking?! :3

Um...maybe they counted the Bakeneko arc as the first 3 eps and thought that it was actually part of Mononoke?

[White Manju Bun]

Spoiler for epi 5:

Man the last about 3 mins of this I was just like O_O

Anyone tell me what was going on with Samurai-san after the credits rolled?

[Snoop']

Spoiler for ep.5:

As for the samurai, I don't know what happened to him in the past and who/what he was thanking, but IMO another "umibouzu" was created when the sword broke up, just like Genkei and the mononoke of his ugly truth. Note that at the very end, we hear the Sword resonating (for the Karachi of the new mononoke ?).

Another surprising episode (although I prefer Zashikiwarashi's "oodsume"). We would expect the mononoke to be the grudge of Oyou, who could have been unwillingly put in the UtsuroBune. But no. The unexpected and touching truth unveils, and the colourful and dynamic "taima" fight (?) takes place... Masterful.
Aaaah, the way the ED fades in !! It's godlike as usual (Bakeneko, Zashikiwarashi).

[White Manju Bun]

Originally Posted by physics223

Still, no one has answered my question. Why is there a sub of ep4 without a sub of ep3? What the hell were they smoking?! :3

If youre talking about the fanchaos sub thats on youtube, they also did sub epi 3 as well. But its only on youtube.

[Suzumiya Haruhi]

I'm already up to episode 3 and I'm loving it.

The Medicine Seller is badass.

Now I really want to check out Ayakashi. :/

[Ceath]

so is the two monks gay?

[Zu Ra]

<SPOILER>

Spoiler for Spoiler Anime related:

* Umibōzu ( sea bonze) is a spirit in Japanese folklore.

* The Umibōzu is said to live in the ocean and capsize the ship of anyone who dares speak to it. This spirit's name,

* Umibozu combines the character for "sea" with the character of "Buddhist monk,"

* Umibōzu is said to have a large, round head, resembling the shaven heads of Buddhist monks.

* Alternatively they are enormous Yokai (spectres) that appear to shipwreck victims and fishermen. They are believed to be drowned priests, and exhibit the shaven head and typically appears to be praying. It is usually reported as having a grey, cloud-like torso and serpentine limbs.

* According to one story, if angered, they ask that the crews provide a barrel that it proceeds to fill with sea water to drown them. To avoid this disastrous fate, it is necessary to give him a bottomless barrel.

* Umibōzu in other anime

Spoiler for savin space:

- Shigeru Mizuki's popular manga series Gegege no Kitaro features an umibōzu in its cast.

- A character in the manga/anime City Hunter is nicknamed Umibōzu. He is a large muscle-bound hitman and his bald head is what earned him the nickname of Umibōzu.

- Umi Bōzu is Monster in My Pocket #118.

- Umibozu is the name of an elite special forces unit in the JMSDF from the anime Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.

- Umibozu is also the name of Kagura's father (who is bald and has been referred to as a monster) in the manga Gintama.

- The manga/anime/drama Lovely Complex features a fictitious band named Umibōzu with an eponymous, bald, lead singer.

[White Manju Bun]

So...Im a bit confused..

It seems like everyone didnt tell the Umibozu the truth cept the two monks since they didnt have the hallucinations...but I cant believe MS had a hallucination as well. That kinda blew me away.

Still the give and take btwn MS and Kayo in the first part of the epi was classic

[runpsicat]

They were actually telling an umizatou their fears, not an umibouzu. They were shown their fears regardless of whether they were telling the truth or not if the object of fear was not immediately present (Kayo's fear was a subconscious one so she wasn't lying per se, for example). Sougen said Genkei was his greatest fear, so the umizatou did not have to show him an extra copy. Genkei said he feared his sister aboard the utsurobune, so the umizatou brings it to him (the departure from the norm being it wasn't just an illusion directed to a specific individual, although we can haggle about this point later on re. the subjective nature of reality). Kayo remarks that this must have been what the MS had been aiming/waiting for.

As for umizatou, it means umi (sea) + zatou. Zatou were itinerant blind monks who typically played the biwa (Japanese lute) for alms during the middle ages and early modern times. The youkai version was said to walk around the sea's surface, frightening fishermen and capsizing ships if his question was not answered truthfully.

[White Manju Bun]

Originally Posted by runpsicat

They were actually telling an umizatou their fears, not an umibouzu. They were shown their fears regardless of whether they were telling the truth or not if the object of fear was not immediately present (Kayo's fear was a subconscious one so she wasn't lying per se, for example). Sougen said Genkei was his greatest fear, so the umizatou did not have to show him an extra copy. Genkei said he feared his sister aboard the utsurobune, so the umizatou brings it to him (the departure from the norm being it wasn't just an illusion directed to a specific individual, although we can haggle about this point later on re. the subjective nature of reality). Kayo remarks that this must have been what the MS had been aiming/waiting for.

Ah you know after I wrote Umibozu in my post I thought...wait thats not right but I couldnt think of what the actual name was. Thanks for clairfying.
Ok I get the explanation now, it didnt occur to me that bringing the utsurobune up was part of it since it happened after the UmiZatou disappeared (I think, you know for just watching this Im feeling very forgetful over what happened)
Also I agree with Kayo, I dont want to know what Genousai was eating XD

[Zu Ra]

The title of this arc is Umibouzu the crature which appeared was umizato . This arc the story has picked up . The tale is well created with each chracter adding a distinct flavor to it . I am left wanting more, intially the designs and art felt odd but now I have gotten used to it . It adds to the style than standing out or distracting

[Snoop']

Watched ep.7 (Nopperabou second part).
Man, I swear that those stories get more and more disconcerting !

Spoiler for ep.7:

I really liked the colours in this arc, and the fact that everything takes place in Ochou's mind. Not mentionning cool fuda handling.
Further (dead-serious) discuss on Iwanihana's blog...

Ep.6 was very good too. I especially like the prologue (when the white prune flowers turn red in a splash of blood), and the Medicine seller mixing up iwashi and mezashi.
Oh and F*CK THE TSUNAMI ALERT THAT BUTCHERED THE SECOND HALF OF EP.6.

[White Manju Bun]

OST will be out on Sept 19

Best line from epi 5 subbed...MS getting ready to throw his charms and Kayo yelling that he needs to warn ppl when he does that XD

7 raw was hard for me to follow...Ill wait til its subbed to comment @_@

[Snoop']

Don't worry, episode 7 is extremely hard to understand even if you are perfectly fluent in Japanese... On the other hand, I don't think this series is made so that everything fits neatly. That's why I love it.

/me is curious to read runpsicat's notes for the Nopperabou story.

[gaguri]

upto epi 5

I love this show. Other than its unique and gorgeous art and animation (plus the haunting and beautiful soundtrack) I particularly love the concept of 'form, truth and regret'. I think it pretty much summaries the essence behind the horror genre. Of course I have few minor gripes. Like how sometimes background is too vibrant and characters don't stand out as much, or how that gay monk looks and sounds funny in more serious moments. But they're such trivial matters that it doesn't take away anything from the powerful moments. Although I wonder if the medicine seller (what the hell is his name) could flesh out more, since most of the impact comes from the fear of the unknown behind the form, horror of our ugliest vices behind the truth, and the soaring beauty of human spirit behind the regret.

I also wonder if I should stop now and watch Ayakashi before continuing, as I was quite lost on what Ayakashi was when they started talking about it. Plus, the medicine guy and the girl obviously comes from the previous story.