Code Geass R2 - Episode 25 Discussion / Poll [END]

[D-KLAC]

Originally Posted by darthfury78

Personally,
We will never know if Sunrise will make another series of Code Geass. To do another season would not be a wise move, from where Code Geass R2 had left off. However, if they do another Code Geass series, it might likely be a remake of Code Geass R2, which was to have been the second half of season one. The original plan by the staff was to retain the same format as season one that was aimed at the latenight audience. The change in the timeslot forced the staff to alter the entire second season to make it easy on the new viewers, which was a huge inslut on their intelligence because most of them had already seen the first season. And there were a lot of problems with the production of making the second season.

Usually, if the series is successful, Sunrise would give the staff an option to another season or a remake of the previous one. This is up to the Director. In Tanigushi's case, he might use this option to remake the series if he is given an opportunity to do another Code Geass project, with the creative freedom that comes with it.

well if that have to restart r2 geass then any guess they might remake r1 as well???

geez do i need to use the tardis or den-liner to fix geass world & save the series besides it just thAT THE REal TRUTH is still out there.

[Shinn_Kabuto]

Originally Posted by D-KLAC

well if that have to restart r2 geass then any guess they might remake r1 as well???

geez do i need to use the tardis or den-liner to fix geass world & save the series besides it just thAT THE REal TRUTH is still out there.

Good luck then.

They don't have to restart R1. Taniguchi's true vision for R2 was to make it just like R1.

No, the truth is that LELOUCH IS DEAD. You can't handle the truth.

Well, KLAC hates The Dark Knight and even the Watchmen.

[AceD]

Originally Posted by darthfury78

Usually, if the series is successful, Sunrise would give the staff an option to another season or a remake of the previous one. This is up to the Director. In Tanigushi's case, he might use this option to remake the series if he is given an opportunity to do another Code Geass project, with the creative freedom that comes with it.

theres no doubt that there will be another code geass style anime, its to popular to let a good idea die...

and everyone loves a genius anti-hero dont they? someone will come up with a character just as good/better then Lelouch.

[darthfury78]

Originally Posted by D-KLAC

well if that have to restart r2 geass then any guess they might remake r1 as well???

geez do i need to use the tardis or den-liner to fix geass world & save the series besides it just thAT THE REal TRUTH is still out there.

Tanigushi might be incline to remake Code Geass R2 if he wants to, beginning with the original planned Stage 26. This would make Code Geass R2 as part of the second half of season one.

At least that is how I view it. But that decision is up to the Director and his production staff. Considering what they have gone through with producing the second season, they might just use that opportunity to create an alternate universe version of Code Geass R2 that takes place where Stage 25 had left off, and not the one year time jump that took place with Turn 1.

[D-KLAC]

Originally Posted by Shinn_Kabuto

Good luck then.

They don't have to restart R1. Taniguchi's true vision for R2 was to make it just like R1.

No, the truth is that LELOUCH IS DEAD. You can't handle the truth.

Well, KLAC hates The Dark Knight and even the Watchmen.

hoi i did watch the dark knight & not yet on watchmen (wait for dvd) but realli want a real truth of geass series.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by D-KLAC

hoi i did watch the dark knight & not yet on watchmen (wait for dvd) but realli want a real truth of geass series.

Nobody even knows what in the hell you mean with such a statement. You're never clear about anything.

[Shinn_Kabuto]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Nobody even knows what in the hell you mean with such a statement. You're never clear about anything.

Well, KLAC is just biased on CE Gundam; he even doesn't know that GSD has no themes like The Dark Knight and Watchmen w/c Code Geass has those

. He just can't accept the fact that Lelouch is dead. Simple.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by Shinn_Kabuto

Well, KLAC is just biased on CE Gundam; he even doesn't know that GSD has no themes like The Dark Knight and Watchmen w/c Code Geass has those

. He just can't accept the fact that Lelouch is dead. Simple.

Hmm, incidentally I'd say that Watchmen and The Dark Knight share a lot of themes with Code Geass.

"Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent

[azul120]

Technically speaking though, Lelouch stopped that kind of descent once and for all following the World of C incident with his parents.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by azul120

Technically speaking though, Lelouch stopped that kind of descent once and for all following the World of C incident with his parents.

What descent are you talking about exactly?

Regardless, I'd say that Lelouch still took a different kind of descent. He made himself out to be a horrible tyrannical emperor, killed thousands of people, and forced an entire army to fight for him against their will. In the end, he made himself out to be the ultimate villain, through and through.

[azul120]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

What descent are you talking about exactly?

Regardless, I'd say that Lelouch still took a different kind of descent. He made himself out to be a horrible tyrannical emperor, killed thousands of people, and forced an entire army to fight for him against their will. In the end, he made himself out to be the ultimate villain, through and through.

Well, villain in the perception of the people. Different from the sort of decay into villainy alluded to by Harvey Dent.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by azul120

Well, villain in the perception of the people. Different from the sort of decay into villainy alluded to by Harvey Dent.

Well, he did pretty much become the villain over time as Zero, leading up to the Black Knight's betrayal of him. And as for his role as Emperor. Regardless of the fact that it was an act, he did become a villain by necessity, and rather than die as Zero the Hero he became the villain Emperor Lelouch.

Think back to Dark Knight. Batman more or less became the villain (well, ill-perceived vigilante is more like it) at the end, but that was because he accepted the role in order to protect Gotham.

[azul120]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Well, he did pretty much become the villain over time as Zero, leading up to the Black Knight's betrayal of him. And as for his role as Emperor. Regardless of the fact that it was an act, he did become a villain by necessity, and rather than die as Zero the Hero he became the villain Emperor Lelouch.

Think back to Dark Knight. Batman more or less became the villain (well, ill-perceived vigilante is more like it) at the end, but that was because he accepted the role in order to protect Gotham.

Ah, that makes sense. I thought you were referring to Harvey Dent becoming Two Face.

And he was more Byronic Hero than Villain as Zero. The distrust from the Black Knights was somewhat natural; Schneizel's deceptiveness combined with their gullibility in certain aspects led to the betrayal. Not to pardon his actions there. He did very bad things, but not to the point where he was an actual villain. There were clearer examples of villainy (i. e. various Britannians, V. V., etc.).

[Levy]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Regardless, I'd say that Lelouch still took a different kind of descent. He made himself out to be a horrible tyrannical emperor, killed thousands of people, and forced an entire army to fight for him against their will. In the end, he made himself out to be the ultimate villain, through and through.

Yes, but he's no longer carried away by his own ill feelings as he was before. Everytime Lelouch let his inner darkness blind his genius mind, he screwed badly, and the second battle of Tokyo, where he thought he had provoked the death of his own sister, among thousand of people, is the peek of this recurring pattern.

After that, he stopped to be 'corrupted' by his power and his emotions and focused on his goal. He did a lot of horrible things, worse than the things he did as Zero, but he was doing that with a degree of awareness he did not have before, that's why I agree with azul that his descent stopped in ep.21.

[bladeofdarkness]

does going from a misguided well intentioned extremist to Necessarily Evil (in motives) complete monster (in action) really count as stopping the descent ?

[azul120]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

does going from a misguided well intentioned extremist to Necessarily Evil (in motives) complete monster (in action) really count as stopping the descent ?

In terms of actual result, ultimately yes. He certainly wasn't doing it for the lulz or on account of unmitigated malice for the sake of malice itself, at least one of which is essential for an honest to goodness villain.

[Levy]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

does going from a misguided well intentioned extremist to Necessarily Evil (in motives) complete monster (in action) really count as stopping the descent ?

I'd say yes, even if it's a paradox, because Lelouch was fighting for loosing having the victory of everyone else (but Schneizel and he himself) in mind. While he was lowering himself to greatest evil he could perform, his heart and mind where aiming for something different, so, from his internal point of view, he's never been as honest and not fooling himself with alibis as he is on the last arc.

[azul120]

Originally Posted by Levy

I'd say yes, even if it's a paradox, because Lelouch was fighting for loosing having the victory of everyone else (but Schneizel and he himself) in mind.

Or Suzaku, of course.

While he was lowering himself to greatest evil he could perform, his heart and mind where aiming for something different, so, from his internal point of view, he's never been as honest and not fooling himself with alibis as he is on the last arc.

Yep. He was only fooling everyone who wasn't part of the Zero Requiem.

[bladeofdarkness]

he was fooling them by killing and destroying god only knows how many (relatively) innocent people
he did so for a good reason
that makes him a Necessarily Evil villain
but thats still a villain

[Levy]

in the classic sense and from a moral standpoint, yes, he is a villain doing unacceptable things - but he's no longer 'corrupted' by his inner darkness, like villains frequently are.
If i get it right , this is what azul meant with the 'descent' thing, isn't it, azul?

about Suzaku... mh.. I don't know.. my reading is that Lelouch, someway, sheltered Suzaku too.
He got his life-long punishment, but Lelouch gave him a reason for keep on living he no longer had after the FREJA incident. Not that Suzaku got a great life for himself, but he's prevented from committing suicide, and I sometimes wonder how much of this was convenience or a way to "save what can be saved" for him as well from Lelouch's part... maybe also in a subconscious fashion.
..uhm...