Danganronpa - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[Jan-Poo]

Therefore Togami wouldn't gain anything from making someone else do the killing, unless he wanted to eliminate two people from the game for some reason.

That would be actually an evil mastermind plan if the ultimate purpose was to get everyone else to die and remain the sole survivor (though it fails when you consider there's no reason to trust Monokuma), but not a smart choice if the plan is to kill someone eventually, because the less people remain the less chances you have to survive the trial. At the very least he should have targeted Kirigiri and Naegi which are the smartest of the flock.

What I'm still caught upon is why change the interior of the male/female rooms.

Well what if Chihiro is actually a boy? There are hints that the crime actually occurred in the male changing room, and it would have been impossible for a female to get there. Monokuma made a point that you can't even slip through without becoming swiss cheese.

There's then the fact that apparently Chihiro is voiced by a man! Suspicious as hell when even traps normally are voiced by female.

The culprit could easily take advantage of this situation to create an alibi for himself and direct suspicions on a female murderer.

[zato_1one]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Well what if Chihiro is actually a boy? There are hints that the crime actually occurred in the male changing room, and it would have been impossible for a female to get there. Monokuma made a point that you can't even slip through without becoming swiss cheese.

There's then the fact that apparently Chihiro is voiced by a man! Suspicious as hell when even traps normally are voiced by female.

The culprit could easily take advantage of this situation to create an alibi for himself and direct suspicions on a female murderer.

That's very plausible theory. It also supports the fact that the victim from Genocider Syo is always male.

[White Manju Bun]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Well what if Chihiro is actually a boy? There are hints that the crime actually occurred in the male changing room, and it would have been impossible for a female to get there. Monokuma made a point that you can't even slip through without becoming swiss cheese.

I think it's been pretty much proven Fujisaki is a boy. Frame, voice, tool kit. That's why Im wondering how the killer was able to get into both rooms since the posters were switched.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by White Manju Bun

I think it's been pretty much proven Fujisaki is a boy. Frame, voice, tool kit. That's why Im wondering how the killer was able to get into both rooms since the posters were switched.

What's with the toolkit? I might have missed the hint.

Anyway didn't the rooms get unlocked after the crime? The culprit probably noticed that soon after he murdered Chihiro, which means there's absolutely no problem with a possible male culprit accessing the women changing room after he committed the crime.
BTW Togami seemed to be inexplicably sure that he could enter the female changing room even before seeing the corpse, maybe because he entered it before? This is yet another hint of his involvement.

Alternatively he used\manipulated Fukawa to set up the corpse.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

What's with the toolkit? I might have missed the hint.

Additional information from the game that the anime omitted. I've posted them like I did for Umineko.

Anyway didn't the rooms get unlocked after the crime? The culprit probably noticed that soon after he murdered Chihiro, which means there's absolutely no problem with a possible male culprit accessing the women changing room after he committed the crime.

No. The doors were unlocked only starting from the moment they had to investigate.

BTW Togami seemed to be inexplicably sure that he could enter the female changing room even before seeing the corpse, maybe because he entered it before? This is yet another hint of his involvement.

This was a mistake from the anime. The announcement of the doors being unlocked was supposed to occur before Byakuya's intervention.

[Tennouji]

Originally Posted by White Manju Bun

I think it's been pretty much proven Fujisaki is a boy. Frame, voice, tool kit. That's why Im wondering how the killer was able to get into both rooms since the posters were switched.

Kirigiri found the passes of the dead people just lying around so I imagine anyone could have taken one to access both rooms, as the rule was only that you cant lend your pass to someone else it said nothing about stealing one.

[jeroz]

Yeah, ATM it's a tie between syo and the one who knows about the true identity. I'm leaning toward the latter though, especially with the strange behaviour shown in this episode.

Guess we'll know during the trial to see who slips up, sometimes pressuring the suspect (desk slamming and a loud noise) helps solving a mystery.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

No. The doors were unlocked only starting from the moment they had to investigate.

I'm a bit confused about that. When exactly that "moment" starts?
From what you said you seem to suggest that it started even before anyone found the corpse and even before Monokuma publicly announced the discovery when Ishimaru arrived at the scene (BTW, I'm surprised that such a rule abiding guy went inside the girl's changing room without a second thought).

If it isn't "immediately after the crime is committed" and "immediately after the corpse is discovered", then when exactly the "investigation time" is in effect? An arbitrary point decided by Monokuma?
That's kind of important to determine when exactly the doors were unlocked, and therefore when exactly the room switch could have happened. Though I guess there are alternatives anyway.

[hamazura]

when the a certain number of people found the corpse, investigation time begin

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by hamazura

when the a certain number of people found the corpse, investigation time begin

That contradicts what Klashikari said
According to him the doors only unlocked after the investigation began.

Unless you are implying that this "certain number of people" found the corpse even before Naegi and Togami did, then the doors should have been still locked.

[Klashikari]

That was arbitrary from Monokuma's part.
It is implied in the game it started when he told Makoto and the rest that "something happened" to one of them.

Monokuma wanted to cut the chase for this case, hence why he deliberately told them "something happened". That being said, he only announced the doors being unlocked after Makoto inspected the door of the Men's changing room.
Also, the investigation really started only when they discover Chihiro's corpse. Monokuma stated "investigation purposes" as another hint a murder had occured despite no one found a corpse yet. For the students, investigation didn't start yet.

[Guido]

I gave this episode a very high score due that made me crave for more to come in the next one.

Suspects list spans Fukawa and Togami, though the culprit might end up being someone whom I suspected the least or never crossed my mind to think he or she would commit the murder of Fujisaki.

For some disclosing embarrassing, life secrets might be offended or feeling annoyed, but that kind of people never get obsessed about them; it's to live and let live for them. However, for others the disclosure of thier most embarrassing secret might make them feel threatened, and taking the issue to life-or-death proportions.


I do suspect about Fujisaki's embarrassing secret, and I plenty have a general idea of what was her embarrassing secret.


We have the confusing clues about the changing rooms for girls and boys.

Rules:
- Handbooks cannot be lent amongst students.
- Except for investigation and murder research, students are forbidden to enter or access the changing rooms from the opposite gender under death penalty.

Clues:
- The stain on the carpet in the girl's changing room is gone, even though Sakura accidentally spilled her protein milkshake last night.

- The posters: A poster of a gravure, female idol in the girl's changing room? and a poster of a male group of idols in the boy's changing room?

Spoiler:

Wildcard theory: I think the rooms were confused or switched from the very start.