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[omega253]

Originally Posted by Ashaman

Its part of the authors changes.

IB isn't quite the IB we know - its weaker.

And also doesn't internally make sense anymore.

Basically, the author has made the Railgun girls - minus Misaka - more competent, Index more hands on and able to use magic, made all the villains/antagonists so far less competent, and has left Misaka and especially Touma less capable.

And he or she has a penchant for changing things for the sake of changing things, with mixed results.

The Imagine Breaker still doesn't make much sense.......

And I can see what you mean by mixed results.

There was a serious implication that In Memoriam!Kanzaki is ruthless (seriously, a completion geis that kills?) and even colder than she was in canon.... Well, before Touma broke her illusions.

I wonder what the author is going to do with Kanzaki's personality......

[Ashaman]

The Imagine Breaker still doesn't make much sense.......

Let me clarify what I meant there.

In Index, we don't know how IB works, exactly. We know several things about it, but it parameters are still somewhat mysterious. Because of that, it exist in a state of flux.

What In Memoriam has done is provide exact parameters from the science side, but internally speaking they don't make sense.

[omega253]

Originally Posted by Ashaman

Let me clarify what I meant there.

In Index, we don't know how IB works, exactly. We know several things about it, but it parameters are still somewhat mysterious. Because of that, it exist in a state of flux.

What In Memoriam has done is provide exact parameters from the science side, but internally speaking they don't make sense.

Ah, okay then. Thanks for clarifying.

[Rovert10]

Originally Posted by omega253

A while back, I had this crack fic idea where Aiwass took the form of a human female to meet Kamijou. Their interactions would just be Boke and Tsukkomi because Aiwass has some messed up understanding involving humans and their customs.

Please do write.

[SmokinFerret88]

Alright, final draft of the Delta-Force scene....need some opinions on it so feel free to provide me with them.

Spoiler for The Delta-Force: Maids, Bunny-Girls, or Nurses:

Thusly, two days into the week, everyone in classroom 1-7 was prepared for the same routine that would usually play out for their class. Nobody expected anything less now that Touma was in better shape than he had been on Monday.
The students in that particular classroom were not wrong in their assumptions and the Delta Force did not fail to disappoint.

“Bastard, how can you say that bunny-girl’s aren’t attractive?!”

“Nya, they are attractive.”

“Don’t patronize me Tsuchimikado; you only stand for it when it involves a loli! But whenever I go a bust-size higher you immediately against it!”

“He’s a lolicon, of course he’s gonna be against you in that regard!”

It had taken a good portion of the day, but it was around lunch when the inevitable occurred; which was typically the time in which these particular arguments occurred. It didn’t always occur around this time, but with the absence of the teacher and with the opportunity to converse with each other; this was usually the moment in which they would begin their antics. As previously stated, they did not fail to deliver, and as usual they immediately caught the attention of those sticking around in the classroom today.

“Kami-yan’s right! In the grand spectrum, nothing beats a loli in a maid outfit; not even a loli in a bunny-girl suit will trump the frills, bonnet, the service, and sense of loyalty that make up a maid’s charm nya!”\

“But bunny-girls have that same sense of service and loyalty that a maid does! The difference here is that they don’t have anything that obscures their figure; if anything the suit complements all their features significantly more than even your damn maids!”

“Did you just say that they’re better than a maid nya! Just because I respect your taste in loli’s doesn’t mean I’ll back away from a challenge if you insinuate that a loli-maid is inferior to a bunny-girl nya!”

“Why are we even arguing over this? A nurse outfit can appeal to anyone’s tastes, even all of yours Aogami! They have the skin exposure and figure complements of the bunny-girl along with the sense of loyalty that a maid has! It’s has the best of both aspects rolled into one package; making it the best of the three!”

Like always, the Delta Force usually had arguments such as these whenever a particular subject appeared in one of their minds. This time, Aogami Peirce had been the one to breach the subject of what his two friends found to be the most appealing form of cosplay. Unsurprisingly, Motoharu had chosen maids, Aogami’s choice being bunny-girls, and Touma choosing nurses. The latter of the three was actually something a lot of people didn’t expect, but then it was possible that being in the hospital was what probably influenced this particular choice; something which made a few girl’s listening in turn away red in the face for mixed reasons. As bad as it was for them to admit, Motoharu was the one who had the most decent choice between the three of them; though that really wasn’t saying much to be perfectly honest.

“You can’t be serious! I’d have thought that you of all people would agree that a bunny-girl is better than anything else!”

“You’re the one that’s dumb here, Kami-yan! Maid’s are always the better in comparison to bunny-girls or nurses nya!”

“What did you say bastard!”

“Are you trying to start something here?!”

Let it be known that, between these three particular individuals, the subjects of their arguments were not to be taken lightly. One could say that, on the subject of taste, these three boys usually held great passion for each of their respected beliefs and opinions when they discussed them. In their eyes, the subject of fetishes and personal taste was a matter of serious business and any disrespect would immediate translate to an insult towards them and thus instigate an all-out brawl. Most would say that the arguments were petty and, by their own right, most would wholeheartedly agree with them. That wasn’t to say that other’s, manly the males, didn’t agree with any of the three boys choices. Some did, others didn’t; such a thing was normal and usually voiced in their minds. But, regardless if they shared the same passion of their personal tastes as those three, they hardly ever spoke of it aloud.

The reason was pretty simple; they did not wish to degrade their character by admitting it. Being blacklisted was not something they personally wanted so they kept their mouths shut in that regard.

When it came to those three, however, there was very little they could say that wouldn’t tarnish their reputation any further than it already was.

Motoharu was a shameless sis-con and everyone already knew of this; so he didn’t really have much of a reputation to lose by instigating or arguing his views on any of the subjects that were presented. Aogami adored practically every fetish that existed in media or otherwise and he did nothing to hide this factor; so he also didn’t have much to lose or gain from entering the fray as well. As for Kamijou, the individual whom males envied the most, suffered from misfortune almost every day of his life and had long sense accepted that. Even if his reputation was slashed up to ribbons the female populous would still find it in themselves to pity him, a fact that served to only increase the already staggering levels of envy even higher.

In the eyes of the boys, Kamijou Touma was in the best possible position available with everything to gain and very little to use; yet he still fancied himself unfortunate. In the eyes of the girls, while these pointless and degrading arguments did strain their view of him, they could also understand that he was still a guy and that like every other he had his own tastes and fetishes of his own. There was nothing wrong with having them and while he could be less open about it they guessed that was just the kind of influence that Motoharu and Aogami had on him. Some girl’s were less narrow-minded than that, but those particular individuals tended to still hold Touma in a higher regard since he was still a respectable person to some degree; even if he was a bit dense at times.

Having said all of this and the accumulating tension in the air around the three boys, it wouldn’t be long before things escalated further and punches started flying. And, like usual, the three idiots shifted from fighting with words to fighting with fists. Before anyone knew it, regardless of how predictable the outcome was, a small scuffle broke out between the three of them; leading many to either calmly move away from the scene or move closer for the sake of a better view. Having seen this event unfold several times in the past, one of the girls ventured out of the classroom ahead of time to retrieve the one person who would willingly break up these fights either before or as it was occurring.

Not even a minute into the fight, the door to the classroom opened as Fukiyose Seiri entered the scene; only to charge straight into the fray and proceeded to neutralize the three idiots in their tracks. A quick grab of Aogami’s arm and a well-placed leg were all it took to throw him back first into a nearby desk and out of the conflict. A sweep of her other leg and a harsh pull on the back of the collar was what brought Motoharu to the floor, neutralized from the fight by the fierce stomp she made on his chest as she prepped to take out the last member of the group. Touma, however, was seemingly the worst case since she had chosen to deliver a gut-shot punch-head-butt combo to his nose; a combination that succeeded in knocking the boy flat on his back and eliminating the final participant in this act of foolishness.

In less time than it took for the fight to being, it was ended; with Seiri standing as the victor amidst the three boys who were all left in a daze from how quickly they had been dispatched.

“When are you three idiots going to grow up and knock it off with these stupid fights!?”

Nobody had the heart to tell her that, even if they wanted to answer, the pain she had just serviced to them was more than likely the reason they were silent. Of course, this was always the case when it came to these events, but every scolding session she tried to give usually fell on deaf ears.

[omega253]

That was an excellent rendition of what the Delta Trio's interactions is like.

But you might want to split up the part that was talking about the individual boys into different paragraphs. It was just one big wall of text on that part.

[SmokinFerret88]

True, very true.

I'll see what I can do, but I can't promise anything.

[omega253]

Do your best~.

On that note, I want to make a Crazy!Touma snip again. Only this time, he's acting like the Doctor (Doctor Who) or some other eccentric OP character.

[SmokinFerret88]

Never watched Doctor Who, so I can't critic that portion.

[Welsh_Dragon]

Originally Posted by SmokinFerret88

Never watched Doctor Who, so I can't critic that portion.

I highly recommend it. It's an interesting show involving aliens (and other things) trying to take over the Earth and traveling through time and space in a machine disguised as a 1950/1960s British police telephone booth.

[SmokinFerret88]

....alians, among other things, plots to take over the earth and time travel via phonebooth....

.....

Okay, I'm game.

[omega253]

Game for Crazy!Touma or watching Doctor Who?

[SmokinFerret88]

Doctor Who.

Also, on an unrelated note, I've decided that the Nazi magic cable thing is worth investing my time in and am now in the process of developing their particular types of magic; most of which will most likely be from German legends, bits of mythology, and The Spear of Longinus. The latter of which serving a key purpose since it is a magic-side story arc. and a certain Saint will be partaking in that particular event as well.

Now, I ask, what kind of germane legends and myths can I use....

suggestions are welcome.

[furaiz]

Originally Posted by SmokinFerret88

Doctor Who.

Also, on an unrelated note, I've decided that the Nazi magic cable thing is worth investing my time in and am now in the process of developing their particular types of magic; most of which will most likely be from German legends, bits of mythology, and The Spear of Longinus. The latter of which serving a key purpose since it is a magic-side story arc. and a certain Saint will be partaking in that particular event as well.

Now, I ask, what kind of germane legends and myths can I use....

suggestions are welcome.

You could look up 'Faust's Book of Hell's Charms' and see if that gives you a good idea.

And the Delta Force snippet is great.

[silverexorcist]

A hypnotist based on the Rattenfanger von Hamlin, a magician who can convert organic materials into poison based on Snow White, a magician who creates special charms and/or items with abnormal attributes based on Jack and the Beanstalk...those are just general ideas off of the top of my head. I'd have to really look into a specific fairy tale to make up a thorough basis for a spell. Basically, I suggest reading through Grimm's fairy tales; and I mean the originals. Not the modern children's adaptations.

[Mr.Kyon]

Originally Posted by SmokinFerret88

Doctor Who.

Also, on an unrelated note, I've decided that the Nazi magic cable thing is worth investing my time in and am now in the process of developing their particular types of magic; most of which will most likely be from German legends, bits of mythology, and The Spear of Longinus. The latter of which serving a key purpose since it is a magic-side story arc. and a certain Saint will be partaking in that particular event as well.

Now, I ask, what kind of germane legends and myths can I use....

suggestions are welcome.

You better have them use blood magic and make it so there's a secret manuscript of Mein Kampf full of esoteric stuff laying around somewhere. But yeah, get ready, because your research is going to hurt your brain. Nazism is hard as an ideological movement to grasp because of how foreign it is to our modern way of thinking.

Some basics:

Myth as an ideal model: Nazis pinned for the old days of glory seen in myths, where everything was still pure before racial and cultural corruption began. Wagnerism in the arts was used by nazis quite effectively for that goal. And, unfortunately, a certain facet of Nietzsche from his aesthetico-political theory, from when he was still friends with Wagner and a fellow disciple of Schopenhauer. For the earliest Nietzsche, Wagner and his music along with Bayreuth was the perfect tool to revive European society, which would be done with great tragedies, myths and music. But then, Nietzsche saw Wagner became a decadent antisemitic christian bourgeois who pandered to the elites, and he quit in disgust (Later, when poor Nietzsche went insane, his sister Elizabeth ended up in charge of his complete works. She later befriended Italy's Duce, who then later introduced her, while they watched one of Wagner's piece being played in Bayreuth, to the future Fuhrer himself, who quickly befriended her... Nietzsche ended up nazified from there on out.)

Race: A big part of Nazism obviously. Pretty much the entire nazi theory is a derivative of scientific racism, especially what is expressed by Gobineau in his infamous book. Thing is, Nazism "misread" Gobineau--he doesn't think you can restore the "golden age" of the "pure Aryan race". He's a pessimist, and says the "Eden" of racial purity is long gone. Hitler and nazis, however, are optimists and think this purity can be attained once again. We all know what it led to...

Individuality: Nazism is opposed to individuality and individual thought in theory. The German people need to form a community with a strict collective identity. And that identity is established by a link to the soil (Lebensraum), to blood and race, and to the power of one Fuhrer to lead that community to it's collective destiny. The entire Nazi project revolves around achieving that community. You could even say that, in Raildex terms, nazis were trying to build a Temple with the entirety of Germany.

Religion: Positive Christianity on wiki does a good job of explaining the basics even if its a bit more chaotic than that in reality. Since we're on the subject, let me say this: Hitler was not an atheist. Basically he was raised a Catholic and evolved to a weird Christian Deist view with contempt for the simple-minded Christians who didn't "get it." He sees the truth of Christianity being summed up in Jesus (who, gasp!, is actually an Aryan!) throwing the money changers (da joos) out of the temple. Basically, Christ wanted to eradicate the "Jewish poison".

Hope that helps you a bit with whatever you'll be doing.

SO FERRET, NOW YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE YOUR BUDDY KYON TO DISCUSS HOW NAZIS WERE TOTALLY RAD PEOPLE

[silverexorcist]

Originally Posted by SmokinFerret88

Doctor Who.

Also, on an unrelated note, I've decided that the Nazi magic cable thing is worth investing my time in and am now in the process of developing their particular types of magic; most of which will most likely be from German legends, bits of mythology, and The Spear of Longinus. The latter of which serving a key purpose since it is a magic-side story arc. and a certain Saint will be partaking in that particular event as well.

Now, I ask, what kind of germane legends and myths can I use....

suggestions are welcome.

In any case, I'm interested to see what you come up with. I already made a faction of the Roman Catholic Church using the shattered husk of the Nazis, so it might be helpful to see what differences you make from a magic cabal point of view.

[furaiz]

That hypnotist based on Rattenfanger von Hamlin... Is that what I might know as the Pied Piper of Hamelin? Either way, putting your enemies to sleep or under your control is a pretty nice idea.

[allfictions]

Originally Posted by SmokinFerret88

Doctor Who.

Also, on an unrelated note, I've decided that the Nazi magic cable thing is worth investing my time in and am now in the process of developing their particular types of magic; most of which will most likely be from German legends, bits of mythology, and The Spear of Longinus. The latter of which serving a key purpose since it is a magic-side story arc. and a certain Saint will be partaking in that particular event as well.

Now, I ask, what kind of germane legends and myths can I use....

suggestions are welcome.

Wait, a Nazi magic cable?

Lol.

Hehehe...you made me bring out one of my old projects!

Spoiler for Spell on the Legend of the Magic Bullets:

Spell Name: Der Freischütz — literally, "The Free-shooter" — based magic

Spell Description: This ability is based off the legend of the Freischütz, a marksman in German folklore who, by a contract with the devil, has obtained a certain number of bullets destined to hit without fail whatever object he wishes. As the legend is usually told, six of the magic bullets (called Freikugeln, "free bullets"), are thus subservient to the marksman's will, but the seventh is at the absolute disposal of the devil himself.

To be used, this ability needs a firearm to serve as a spiritual item. Any type is fine but firearms from the 17th century, like muskets and multishot flintlocks, are highly recommended, as the fact that the legend originates from this time period makes the gun make the magic more efficient. Then, the magician has to cast the spell on the seven bullets, however the castings themselves serve as spells, offensives or defensives depending on the case, that occur separately: each time one appears, it cancels the previous one.

By repeating seven times the formula "Sechse treffen — sieben äffen!" ("Six strike true — seven mock you!"), the caster can invoke different supernatural phenomenons:

1. The first time, all the birds in the vicinity are mind-controlled by the magician to either defend him or attack while he casts the other bullets.
2. The second time, the magician summons an image of a boar, which charges through all obstacles.
3. The third time, it is a spell that allows free control over the wind, be there wind originally or not.
4. The fourth time, this time it controls fire, primarily in the form of four fiery wheels that are very difficult to escape, as it has the same properties as Sister Lucia's St. Catherine's Wheel, harming the guilty, which in this case is the person that the magician deems guilty
5. The fifth time, summoning of a replica of ''the Wild Hunt'', images of specters, mounted on hellish horses, and accompanied by Hellhounds. They punish the ''hunters'', in this case, the ennemies of the magician.
6. The sixth time, contrarily to the other spells, the effect of the fifth casting still last while a large-scale earthquake occurs, with the caster being the only one unaffected.
7. The seventh and last time (at the added words '"Samiel diminished seventh" to the original formula) appears Samiel, a being similar to Innocentius, this time a wind monster instead of a fire one (due to being invisible in the legend), which can't be destroyed unless the magician becomes unconscious, since he has no other casting and it's relatively easy to knock him out since Samiel takes a lot of energy to stay real. Like Innocentius, there is also extreme cases when Samiel's self regeneration abilities are overwhelmed and thus is destroyed by the damage.

With the bullets now being Freikugeln, six of the magic bullets hit whatever the marksman wishes. They are impossible to dodge, as it is a shoot focused on a single target that always wounds fatally. Once the trigger has been pressed, the cursed bullet reverses the nature of causality itself, the meaning of "cause and effect" in the order of things, to make it so the cause of the "bullet being shot" comes from the effect of the "target being fatally wounded" by it. The actual action of ''pressing the trigger'' is merely a formality, as the bullet has already reached its target before the attack has even started. The bullets can move at impossible angles that always manages to reach its target. As long as the shooter sees his target, he will wound or kill it. It will change its path around any obstacles or pierce through any wall in order to reach its target. This action looks completely normal to onlookers, as if it it were already reaching its target, because rather than truly changing its course, it changes the means to match the result, simply as an action meant to prove the fact that the target was shot. The seventh bullet, however, is not directed by the will of the magician but rather by the ''hand of the devil''. Instead of really being the devil like in the legend, it's rather by ''bad luck''. It's target is impossible to predict, it could be anyone, even the magician, as long as the gun ''sees'' it. The seventh bullet will be shot automatically following the sixth shot, rather the magician wants it or not. It's probably the most dangerous aspect of the Der Freischütz spell.

There are few ways to be protected from this spell (aside from having Imagine Breaker, of course):

1. By wearing a Walking Church, because it's the apotheosis of ''holiness'', as it was holiness that protected from the Der Freischütz in the original legend, as it was of demonic origin. It is a shield that overwhelms the magical energy of the bullets. It's also extremely effective against the castings, as it immediately nullifies the spells, even the Wild Hunt and Samiel, the most powerful ones.
2. By having high enough degree of luck, as it is considered ''God's blessing'', a divine protection that allows one to be able to alter fate.
3. Finally, in the original legend, the final bullet was deflected by sacred white roses. So wearing white roses around one's neck is probably the best defense against the seventh bullet, as well as the others.

Of course, the best measure against the Der Freischütz is to not allow the casting to even begin, since one can render the caster inconscious while he says the formula.

In the legend, to obtain the power of Der Freischütz, one had to sell his soul to the devil so after having shot all the bullets the devil appeared to claim the marksman's soul. So the rules of the legend overwrite the spell: after using it once, the magician can never use it again, since he is ''dead'' according to the legend.

You could also create a spiritual item on the legendary Seven-League Boots, allowing people to travel great distances in a few steps, and can be used to appear and disappear from numerous situations and scenes without leaving a trace.

Most of Old German mythology overlaps with Norse anyway (like Odin being called Wotan, name being the originator of the word ''Wednesday'', Wotan's Day), so you might not look too far after all.

You're welcome

[Mr.Kyon]

Next chapter of World's End: Scheduled for Sunday. Don't whip my ass if I can't meet the deadline. So much crack, so little time to write it all down with college. Worst case scenario, it's out mid-week. But since I'll pouring my weekends into the fic, I should be good.

Edit: Legit HDD crash scare here. Occurred exactly as I was thinking, "Boy, I sure can't wait to print that homework then get a part of World's End written down!" God, these kinds of coincidences freak me the fuck out. Thankfully it was a stupid problem with cables.