Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (ver 2 old)

[TheDisruptiveOne]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Me too.
And you know, I now want Schneizel to win. Screw the main characters. Want to really have a twist? have Schneizel win. Yeah, bad guys never win anyway. So really surprise us Sunrise. I mean, it isn't like you haven't done everything else at this point.

Who says Schneizel even has to be a bad guy? Let's just have Lelouch and his side ultimately lose. Who cares anymore.

And the images in the OP are fucking ridiculous...it's such a contradiction to what's going on in the show. Code Geass has tried to be too dark and there is no longer any hope for anyone. It's a horrible world. Charles and Marianne had the right idea. Lelouch should have just allowed Ragnarok.

[flarezard]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Can anyone figure out HOW that is even remotely possible?

That's why we have to wait and see.

Blaming Sunrise don't help anything.

[incorrupts]

Only good thing from this spoiler is that Nina is really a piece of useless shit. Not knowing what the weapon you create does? Gee, that is pathetic.

Unless Shneizel has the Phoenix Summon distracted from FF characters and is able to revive people.

[linkinstreet]

Originally Posted by Orga777

The main characters (or the "good guys") all suffer and lose.

Actually there was NEVER any good or bad side in the war. Remember Charles wanted to have a better world. You can't really blame him.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

Which main characters in particular?

Lelouch mostly. Suzaku might as well too. Hell, all of them.

I don't know... maybe I just need to get over the shock of this revelation still... Maybe go lay down and think about it a little more... Because damn... not exactly pleased at the moment...

Originally Posted by linkinstreet

Actually there was NEVER any good or bad side in the war. Remember Charles wanted to have a better world. You can't really blame him.

Which is why I put "good guys" in quotes.

[TheDisruptiveOne]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

Orga or Disruptive, define what you mean by sputtering pathetic ends.

Panned by critics and fans. Viewers all over wondering what could have been. Discussed negatively forever. Etc, etc.

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

I don't know why you guys are making such a big deal about Nunnaly being alive. I mean, if they had shown us her shuttle get vaporized ala Mwu then yeah we would be right in being upset because of how badly they did things. However, this was not the case with Nanna-chan. There was enough doubt for one to believe that she was in fact alive all this time. Guilford for expamle we saw get engulfed by the implosion, all we saw of Nunnaly was the glow approaching, and there were hints of a possible decoy shuttle (Romayer's), which would explain why Mrs. Romayer did not react to the terrorists boarding her plane. Not to mention that the plan was for Nunnaly to escape with no escort, while Romayer's shuttle had several knightmare escorts...

I won't be mad as long as they handle it well and not do the crap they've been doing with characters in last few episodes. Pointless;y using them as plot devices and ruining the subplots that go along with them. Nunnally has potential to add to the story, but I just get a feeling they're are going to handle it some horrible way. Lately I've been hoping each episode regains the level of excitement I used to get from the show, but it just hasn't. Episode 21 was exciting, but left me angry at the end when the Charles/Marianne plot(which was one of my favorites) was thrown out the window like it was so unimportant. Now we have damn Schniezel as an enemy who I think is a stupid idea. He just doesn't seem at all much of an interesting character.

[Dream_Traveller]

Okay, good god, use rationality instead of fucking moping and going, 'Mope mope this world is horrible this show sucks mope mope they should have let Charles do his thing'. If you STOP, and THINK, Nunnally's survival is entirely possible. Sayoko could have saved her, the shuttle could have escaped the blast (and Nunnally and Sayoko certainly didn't show any fear unlike Romeyer in her shuttle), Schneizel could have rescued her, hell, contradictory to the spoiler, but Jeremiah could have found her. Jesus fucking Christ, it's not as if this HASN'T happened in a whole host of other shows.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by TheDisruptiveOne

Panned by critics and fans. Viewers all over wondering what could have been. Discussed negatively forever. Etc, etc.

Well... I disagree here... Even with the craptacular stuff going on right now it will never get that bad. It is still going to end up in my Top Five Anime's list for sure.

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

If you STOP, and THINK, Nunnally's survival is entirely possible.

Yeah, but every thought is stopped when the official site marks her cute face as dead. And now BOOM, back.
I'll wait for the epi of course, but it was not handled well at all.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

Okay, good god, use rationality instead of fucking moping and going, 'Mope mope this world is horrible this show sucks mope mope they should have let Charles do his thing'. If you STOP, and THINK, Nunnally's survival is entirely possible. Sayoko could have saved her, the shuttle could have escaped the blast (and Nunnally and Sayoko certainly didn't show any fear unlike Romeyer in her shuttle), Schneizel could have rescued her, hell, contradictory to the spoiler, but Jeremiah could have found her. Jesus fucking Christ, it's not as if this HASN'T happened in a whole host of other shows.

No, no. I have to concede all points I made to Var two weeks ago. He had the right idea. There is a lot of plot contrived bullshit. And I don't care what excuses are made here, that is exactly what Nunnally being alive has become.

[lightbringer]

Originally I only saw the gum lines about C.C. and Kallen. Now all of a sudden there's one about Nunnally and karma, which I missed somehow. Are there any others?

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

Okay, good god, use rationality instead of fucking moping and going, 'Mope mope this world is horrible this show sucks mope mope they should have let Charles do his thing'. If you STOP, and THINK, Nunnally's survival is entirely possible. Sayoko could have saved her, the shuttle could have escaped the blast (and Nunnally and Sayoko certainly didn't show any fear unlike Romeyer in her shuttle), Schneizel could have rescued her, hell, contradictory to the spoiler, but Jeremiah could have found her. Jesus fucking Christ, it's not as if this HASN'T happened in a whole host of other shows.

Honestly I agree with you that it isn't that shocking, my beef however is that I just dislike the idea of her being used in the story again. I just never found much interest in her, but she did add to the story with the fact of Lelouch doing everything for her.

[TheDisruptiveOne]

I need to find Wesley and have a major discussion with him about what's going on. This will definitely put a blip on his radar.

I guess the two shuttle theory turned out to be true. I don't understand why Rolo wouldn't have known about her fate. He should have seen her shuttle launch. Oh well, expect a lot of really angry negative posters when she is revealed.

Originally Posted by lightbringer

Originally I only saw the gum lines about C.C. and Kallen. Now all of a sudden there's one about Nunnally and karma, which I missed somehow. Are there any others?

Anya has a gum card.

[Dream_Traveller]

Blinded by spoilers and not using rationality. Okay, Orga.

[kramerica]

It's still amazing to watch, sure. But for me, the plot is getting way out of hand now.

What's next? Turn 23 may hint at Schnizel becoming the new Zero. And then what? Turn 25 is called "Re:"? As in redux? Will Lulu find someway to redo everything that has transpired from the beginning?

And with Nunally being alive, can we assume more revivals? Will Lelouch find some remnants of his Dad's research of "reuniting with the dead people", try to destroy it, only to be stopped by CLOVIS? Anything is possible at this point

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by kramerica

And with Nunally being alive, can we assume more revivals? Will Lelouch find some remnants of his Dad's research of "reuniting with the dead people", try to destroy it, only to be stopped by CLOVIS? Anything is possible at this point

Fuck yes, give me my Euphie and Shirley back. Everything's on the table now and 25's title is actually scary. XD

[Dream_Traveller]

I want Luciano and the Valkyries back, myself.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

Blinded by spoilers and not using rationality. Okay, Orga.

No, I understand all the rational thoughts about her being alive, and they do make sense. But that doesn't MATTER. It is still plot contrived bullshit used only for "shock factor." It was unnecessary to bring her back.

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

If Shirley and Euphy are revived at any point and it becomes some stupid reset anime ending I'll! I don't even want to say it.