The anti-Itachi thread

[ddr_2]

Ok is anyone tired of everyone always saying that Itachi is the best guy ever? I bet there are lots of nin stronger than him like Jiraiya.

[Redeem]

I don't think he is the strongest Ninja... because if he were he would be the leader of Akasutsi (<---I dont remenber how is spell) but so far he could be the strongest Ninja show in the anime... because Orochimaru said that Itachi is stronger than him, and Orochimaru (100%) and Jiraiya (100%), I think they have equal power...

[Veritas]

I don't think he'd be the leader of Akatsuki even if he is stronger than the current one. It's not uncommon for younger members to defer to older ones, even if they have greater power.

I don't care much for Itachi, myself, but the reason people say he's the best guy ever is because that's what Kishimoto aluded to. Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru, who is supposedly on par with Jiraiya, whom Itachi is leery about fighting. I personally think Jiraiya in top shape is stronger than Orochimaru in top shape, so I'm taking liberties in saying that Jiraiya and Itachi are at the same ability level.

[UserName]

Originally Posted by Veritas

I don't think he'd be the leader of Akatsuki even if he is stronger than the current one. It's not uncommon for younger members to defer to older ones, even if they have greater power.

I don't care much for Itachi, myself, but the reason people say he's the best guy ever is because that's what Kishimoto aluded to. Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru, who is supposedly on par with Jiraiya, whom Itachi is leery about fighting. I personally think Jiraiya in top shape is stronger than Orochimaru in top shape, so I'm taking liberties in saying that Jiraiya and Itachi are at the same ability level.

Kishimoto makes it seem that Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi... They fight in a certain way, his style is bad for Itachi. Oro should be equal to Jiraiay in terms of strength(but not will power, Jiraiya is like Naruto in keep on going).

[yanoch]

About oro


manga spoiler

Spoiler:

I wonder since oro changed body with someone who is said to be from a clan with superior physical aptitude (not 100% sure need to re read this part). I think he will be way much stronger physically. Wonder if he will be much more of a melee type than what we are used to see from him.

[xavier8200]

Im not sick of itachi, personally i havent seen enough of him to make a judgement. I think that you may change your mind when we learn more about him. If there was an arc that focused on the akatsuki and itachi, maybe we could learn more about his personality.

As for The dreaded Itachi, Jiraiya, Tsunade argument.

I cast my vote for Jiraiya being the strongest of them all. I base this on the fact that he has threatened to kill all three of them and he wouldnt say something like that unless he was going to do it. The conversation that Itachi had with Kisame about Jiraiya and how if they all fought there would be a stalemate or however the translation goes (ive heard many versions) Jiraiya seems to be stronger than Itachi.

And of course the Oro and Itachi arguement. I think that oro meant thatitachi is stronger because of his limitless capacity to understand and bust out jutsus. To oro, Itachi and Sasuke have limitless potential due to that pesky sharingan.

So i dont know thats just my spin, but the arguement could go in any direction.

Spoiler:

It is going to be very very interesting to see how oro adjusts to this new body, wouldn't the fighting style or Oro have to change or adjust to the body to maximize that bodies potential? Can oro effectively fight like that. HMMM this is going to be good whenever he fights next.

[zamme]

Originally Posted by Redeem

I don't think he is the strongest Ninja... because if he were he would be the leader of Akasutsi

1. There's never been anything mentioned about him _not_ being a leader
2. I would guess that Akatsuki doesnt have a leader.
3. It's not always the strongest person that is the leader.

Spoiler:

(Rescue team is a good example of that.)

[UserName]

Originally Posted by zamme

1. There's never been anything mentioned about him _not_ being a leader
2. I would guess that Akatsuki doesnt have a leader.
3. It's not always the strongest person that is the leader.

Spoiler:

(Rescue team is a good example of that.)

1. There was mentioned that he was taking order from a higher rank.
2. The whole teams of 2, say 4 teams, making 8, and 1 being the leader could make sense. But etiher way if it doesn't have a leader, it has ranks. And Itachi isn't the highest rank.
3. That is true.

[Veritas]

Originally Posted by UserName

Kishimoto makes it seem that Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi... They fight in a certain way, his style is bad for Itachi. Oro should be equal to Jiraiay in terms of strength

But Oro says that Itachi is stronger than him. I guess you're right in that perhaps Jiraiya's fighting style is harder for Itachi to handle, whereas this is not the case for Orochimaru.

[Jurassic]

As much as i hate to admitt it....I think itachi is stronger than Jiraiya.

Jiraiya challenged itachi thinking he could win...but this was when itachis chakra was low...So Jiraiya probably assumed that he could beat him while weakened. Not only this, he also clearly under estimated Itachi. When he used the Toads esophagus move, he didnt expect itachi to be able to escape but he did.

[Kadius]

Jiraiya might be able to beat Itachi because they differ so much in fighting styles. But who knows.

I'd wager that the Akatsuki organization doesn't have a leader and that they go by 'general concensus' or vote on things. Kind of like the round table, but for criminals...

Yeah. I'll be going now. *runs*

[FearTheMullet]

Originally Posted by Kadius

Jiraiya might be able to beat Itachi because they differ so much in fighting styles. But who knows.

I'd wager that the Akatsuki organization doesn't have a leader and that they go by 'general concensus' or vote on things. Kind of like the round table, but for criminals...

Yeah. I'll be going now. *runs*

no, the do have a leader,itachi says they were ordered by the upper echelons to capture naruto.

[socomberetta]

I don't hate Itachi. In fact, I like the guy. Anyone who's willing to murder his entire family except for his little brother, just so he can test his capacity makes him a top-notch individual. That lack of emotion and remorse for murdering his parents and delivering the type of mindfuck to his brother that would make a CIA agent cream his pants, makes Itachi such a loved and endearing character.

There are very few characters in fiction that pull at the heart strings like Itachi. Here is a guy, who at a very young age, knew that he was meant for bigger and better things. But his clan conspired against him, held him down, kept him from striving towards his ultimate potential. They used meaningless words like honor, family, respect, and loyalty to guilt him into staying in the clan, knowing full well that by doing so he would never be able to better himself. They could never understand how horrible it must have been for him. How he had to live day in and day out in the shadow of a clan, who quite frankly, paled in comparison to our beloved hero. Yes, Itachi is a hero. Despite incredible odds against him, he found the fortitude deep within himself to break free of the Uchiha opression. He denied the fate his clan thrust upon him and through death and mayhem and the utter decimation of the Uchiha clan, paved the way to a future where anything is possible. A future where he is his own master, where the only needs he must concern himself with are his own.

A future that holds the promise of...greatness.

[DAyGO]

Itachis is the strongest nin...
if he isnt right now.. its cause hes 17.. (18)
hes a 17 year old more powerfull than kakashi..and more powerfull(or almost as) powerfull as the three legendary nins
when he gets 30 i dont care who u are..
unless ur naruto

[epyon96]

Originally Posted by DAyGO

Itachis is the strongest nin...
if he isnt right now.. its cause hes 17.. (18)
hes a 17 year old more powerfull than kakashi..and more powerfull(or almost as) powerfull as the three legendary nins
when he gets 30 i dont care who u are..
unless ur naruto

Well, who knows, it doesn't look like Itachi will have a very high life expectancy considering there are quite a few ppl that are bent on killing him.

For that matter, I doubt ninjas is a vocation that ppl get into without realizing that the life expectancy is low.

EPYON

[ddr_2]

itachi isnt as strong as the three legendary nin because in ep 82 or 83 or sumthin itachi even admits to kisame that even if they get more people that they wouldnt be able 2 defeat jiraya

[monir]

Socomberetta summed Itachi up nicely with some added humor that also has some truth to it. So many people likes Itachi for those reasons alone Socomberetta surmised. It's a shame you can't appreciate a good villain. I am also shocked that Niney isn't here to add his thoughts.

Its good to know you are a Jiraiya fan but making him appear stronger so early in the series when facts are not that clear is sort of foolish. Itachi isn't underestimating a legendary Sannin. That's all. He thought, fighting Jiraiya at that time would be foolish since it had to be a fight to the finish where the end result would one or both of them ending up dead. That wouldn't accomplish Itachi's original goal which is to get Naruto. Rewatch the episode and Itachi deserves the hype.

[UserName]

Originally Posted by DAyGO

Itachis is the strongest nin...
if he isnt right now.. its cause hes 17.. (18)
hes a 17 year old more powerfull than kakashi..and more powerfull(or almost as) powerfull as the three legendary nins
when he gets 30 i dont care who u are..
unless ur naruto

First of all he isn't the strongest.

So yes he is 17 or 18. And by the way Kakashi is only 26. But as someone said, he might not live long enough... And there are those who reach their peak at a younger age. They excel then suddenly stop growing. To assume he will continue to grow at a large rate is just that, an assumption, even to assume that he will continue to grow.

[Kamui4356]

Originally Posted by ddr_2

itachi isnt as strong as the three legendary nin because in ep 82 or 83 or sumthin itachi even admits to kisame that even if they get more people that they wouldnt be able 2 defeat jiraya

In the translation I have, he said that even having other people wouldn't make a difference in the fight since jiraiya is a sannin. In the same translation itachi said he could possibly win, but it might cost him his life or something like that. Itachi retreated from jiraiya's reputation, not jiraiya himself, because he wasn't prepared to risk his life to abduct Naruto. Itachi has no clue how he compares to jiraiya, so he was taking the prudent course and not risking a fight with one of the sannin. The actual strength of the characters mattered little in Itachi's decision.
We really have no clue how they compare either. Maybe jiraiya's stronger. Maybe Itachi's stronger. The only hint we have is Oro saying Itachi is stronger than himself, but since Oro's proven to be a bad judge of ability, and sees strength in terms of number of jutsu known, this isn't very reliable.



In any event Itachi's real reason for retreating was not wanting to kill his favorite author.

[epyon96]

Originally Posted by Kamui4356

In the translation I have, he said that even having other people wouldn't make a difference in the fight since jiraiya is a sannin. In the same translation itachi said he could possibly win, but it might cost him his life or something like that. Itachi retreated from jiraiya's reputation, not jiraiya himself, because he wasn't prepared to risk his life to abduct Naruto. Itachi has no clue how he compares to jiraiya, so he was taking the prudent course and not risking a fight with one of the sannin. The actual strength of the characters mattered little in Itachi's decision.
We really have no clue how they compare either. Maybe jiraiya's stronger. Maybe Itachi's stronger. The only hint we have is Oro saying Itachi is stronger than himself, but since Oro's proven to be a bad judge of ability, and sees strength in terms of number of jutsu known, this isn't very reliable.



In any event Itachi's real reason for retreating was not wanting to kill his favorite author.

Orochimaru, a bad judge of ability? I donno if you want to keep that point around in this forum if you don't want to get flamed.

LoLz. It seems well established that Orochimaru is a good judge of ability in this forum.

(Suggestion: Reword it )
EPYON