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Aoie_Emesai · 2006-04-20, 08:21

This CNN article got me thinking again. Here's the article.

Since i'm in college now, the segeration has stopped dramically and practically everyone loves each other. I'm not sure of the segeration outside of the United States, but it must be about the same too. (talk about your outside of the United States Segeration issues too, if you want)

To me, as it seems that segeration isn't much of skin color now. It feels more like segeration by interest. Back in high school, you had your segeration like apartment building complexes.

You had your blacks in one side.
You had the Freaks on one side, though I think this word is a harsh word to use for ordinary peoples.
You had all the latinos in one group.
You had all the preppy people in another.
Then almost last are the nerds, who always get the highest grades in math and science.
Lastly were the people who didn't fit into either of these groups or did fitted into everyone of these segerated groups.

Segeration of everything seems like it is a mediocre issue but it has never really tackled down to be subdued for reasoning and interpretation. I have friends in every group and it's really unfair for them to be treated as unequally and as improper as this. It's the minority that are being pegged on. There's that saying "Majority rules but minority rights", Ha! this is oftenly accepted but the second part of it totally ignored. I guess people are too arrogant and inordinately buried in their work and their life to be worried about something that offers little to them and the end results won't be a lasting or won't give a progressive end deed.

ps: I hope no one anwers with 1-5 words

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Chichi · 2006-04-20, 11:01

This derives back to human society yet again where segregated ideals are inevitable for the simple reason that everyone develops likes, dislikes and so on.

Where a certain individual may end up is purely happenstance. It is based on a variety of influential experiences that govern the social group he/she may choose, it being intentional or not and most ultimately where they feel comfortable/compactable.

This notion applies to all walks of life and will never end, we will forever be segregated in some form or another.

SomeWhiteGuy · 2006-04-20, 11:07

You know what, I think it's sad that people keep talking about this. Primarily because back in my early days of elementary school, the thought never even came to my mind to even notice the difference from person to person. I mean, some people were white, some black, some Asian, etc.

It wasn’t till I learned about segregation in history class that I even noticed the difference. To me, I kinda feel like segregation is just something that everyone else invented.

Chichi · 2006-04-20, 11:09

It has been integrated into society as part of human nature. It's only until we question ourselves that we notice what was always there.

srb · 2006-04-20, 11:17

I mostly hang out with two bosnians, two other ethnic swedes and a kurd in my school, and it is a white dominant but quite ethnically diverse school. However, in Sweden we don't have much of a history of problems regarding segregation. During the last 30 years the problem has arisen, but our cities are small enough that most schools are ethically diverse with the exceptions for "ghetto schools" located in segregated concrete jungle projects where only immigrants live - social segregation due to the government's inexistant integration policies.

What the article describes seems to also be a result of government meddling, but in another way - schools can't actually reject students here, unless they're at full capacity, but it seems that with the passing of that law tons of schools reject "risky" students so that their rankings won't go down. Silly law makes silly people do silly and hurtful things.

Chichi · 2006-04-20, 11:24

Concerning ethnic segregation, despite myself originally living in London, a cosmopolitan, groups were still defined but the opportunity to mix was readily available and was naturally done without any hesitation.

I was generalizing the whole topic to comply with the original poster since we all love to label each other. Ethnic segregation is slightly different as it also leads to people being prejudice. Whether they knowingly act this way is solely dependent on the individual. Even those who are openly sociable are conscious of "supposable" difference.

I am mixed racially so I have a moderately different view on the whole topic. In London I was accepted by practically everyone, but incidentally I also had many Japanese friends. Why is this, was it because I'm half Japanese or that they were simply nice people to be with?

Roopoo · 2006-04-20, 12:03

I went to school in New Zealand and my parents, in particular my mother, wanted me to mix with students from other ethnic groups because she felt it would make me a better person and able to understand how other racial groups thought and felt. The school I went to was predominantly polynesian. However, I found that groups naturally segregated themselves. The polynesian students seemed to group into their origin, Samoan, Fijian, Maori, Tongan. Those left over, (the minority groups) European, Indian and Asian, all bleneded into one group, being too small to form individual sections. Try as we may to mix people, groups will tend to move towards like minded people. This is why we end up with residential areas where there are all Asians, Chinese, European, Polynesian etc. It is natural to seek out people that are like you. My parents migrated to New Zealand from the UK and most of their friends are British. However, now that we have moved to Australia I find the mindset slightly different. Maybe because Australia is bigger than New Zealand, I don't really know why or maybe because the mixture of races is much more diverse. But here I find the racial issue much more relaxed than in New Zealand.

Newtyped · 2006-04-20, 12:22

Most people I know are either black, or hispanic.
The only time I really dealt with prejudice (besides white popo) is online o_O. so to be said I dont deal majorly with this, because there isnt lots of groups I know. Of course some of my treatment online (not here ^^;; ) has giving me harsh reality. I am not used to being judged caus my bad grammar (and all the slang i speak). I hate closed minded people who keep prejudice going, and to me It seems people from either side have this mentality. I know people from the boonies, and I know over there the mentality is that black people are ignorant. I know over here the countermentality (in response to) is that white people are smug smartasses. Now i myself am mulatto, so I really cant find myself being truly blind to everything since i grew up with both sides of my family. (though I didnt grow up in the boonies, so i didnt have a suburban experiance). So i think it is the area mentality that keeps this going, if areas were more segregrated this would be less of an issue.

Shay · 2006-04-20, 12:45

I would have to say I fit in to all groups. However, I did notice the segregation, for there were times when one group would ask me why I hung with another.
I would also often try to bridge the gap as well by inviting, say a nerd to come skating, or a skater to come play football. Most of the time it worked and I'd like to think on some occasions I was the cause of long lasting friendships between people who without me would never have even met.

Even out of school it was the same, I would literally have specific days for different groups. There was a small hitch to this sort of socialising though, and that was I had no real allegiance to any faction. If there were ever any conflicts, I would always be stuck right in the middle.

Even at the age I am now I haven't changed at all. I still go out with different groups of friends all the time. Work friends, proper friends, friends of friends, girlfriends-work-friends, etc. Or on the other hand, I just stay in and play with my internet friends.

The point of this post? Err, maybe I'm just trying to say I like all types of people, nerd, jock, black, white, blue or green. As long as you're not a twat you're cool with me. And that's how everyone should be. The world would be a better place, ne?

ImperialPanda · 2006-04-20, 23:07

Regarding the article...

Honestly, I have no sympathy for this topic.

Those people are just whiny kiddies who need their hands held to get through life. They have no idea what hardship is and what it means to work.

"unequal education" is just another pitiful excuse for a lack of motivation. Face it: it's impossible to keep everything absolutely equal.

On the broad scale of things, being born as a minority in America attending a "lesser" school is a laughably easy obstacle to overcome.

Green² · 2006-04-21, 01:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImperialPanda

Regarding the article...

Honestly, I have no sympathy for this topic.

Those people are just whiny kiddies who need their hands held to get through life. They have no idea what hardship is and what it means to work.

"unequal education" is just another pitiful excuse for a lack of motivation. Face it: it's impossible to keep everything absolutely equal.

On the broad scale of things, being born as a minority in America attending a "lesser" school is a laughably easy obstacle to overcome.

Why say that if you don't know them?

Maybe they're really bright students, or maybe not. For those already there, well, doesn't help when a program designed to not leave the children behind, does indeed leave them behind, http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?se...cal&id=4090392.

Not that children by race should be treated differently, but that all children should be treated equally. And that those individual children whom do need special help should they fall behind, that they do receive it.

Roopoo · 2006-04-21, 01:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Green²

Not that children by race should be treated differently, but that all children should be treated equally. And that those individual children whom do need special help should they fall behind, that they do receive it.

Children will always be treated differently because we have schools that cater to the rich. Those children from families that cannot afford the fees for these exclusive schools, no matter what race they come from, will always have a slightly lesser education (maybe). I don't know the answer to this. I do know that for the majority of us there are equal opportunities regardless of our race/gender/sexual orientation or maybe I am just talking about Australia. However, those children coming from extremely rich parents will never have to worry because daddy will be able to buy them a job or put them in the family business etc. It's a fact of life. Did communism work? I don't think so!

Newtyped · 2006-04-21, 08:38

But what you dont understand is how much of a cycle it is here. people here will continue to shoot each other every week, people will continue to not get jobs. People will continue to not go to college. If its so easy, how come places like this still exist? No you probally dont understand because You probally are just contempt in your boonies (correct me if I'm wrong). So of course things are easy for you, over in the boonies people have it easy. They can walk in the streets at night, most people there do go to college I mean they got everything cut out for them.

(do you still have about 2 shooting reports a week? i got this online just as an example of some news here)

Quote:

Originally Posted by News

April 21, 2006
William Kaempffer, Register Staff
City pizza delivery driver shot in Hill
NEW HAVEN — A 42-year-old pizza delivery driver who was shot in the chest in the Hill works at the same location where a manager was fatally shot during a robbery two years ago.
New Haven
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April 21, 2006
Randall Beach, Register Staff
Trial opens in doubleshooting
NEW HAVEN — A young man who survived a double shooting last April testified Thursday that he didn’t see who fired the shots and had never seen Carlton Wallace, who is on trial for murder.

ImperialPanda · 2006-04-21, 09:15

I'll tell you what's hard.

1) Spend 4 years working 12 hours a day on a farm and 6 hours at night studing to a candle.
2) Going to an university and then studying day and night along with a job for another 8 years to get to US.
3) Be a fulltime student along with a 50 hr per week job in the lab. No saturdays off, no holidays except one day for christmas. Do this for another 4 years.

After all this, my dad went from rural farm person in China to Software Engineer in US. House, car, etc.

Compared to that what kids in those lesser schools have to go through to be equally successful is a freaking joke. They got things made for them already.

Newtyped · 2006-04-21, 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImperialPanda

I'll tell you what's hard.

1) Spend 4 years working 12 hours a day on a farm and 6 hours at night studing to a candle.
2) Going to an university and then studying day and night along with a job for another 8 years to get to US.
3) Be a fulltime student along with a 50 hr per week job in the lab. No saturdays off, no holidays except one day for christmas. Do this for another 4 years.

After all this, my dad went from rural farm person in China to Software Engineer in US. House, car, etc.

Compared to that what kids in those lesser schools have to go through to be equally successful is a freaking joke. They got things made for them already.

You dont get the cycle, and i guess you'll never get it unless you come here -.-. Farmings that much of a hardship? And having people you know get shot isnt? People dont have high expectations, and there always will be a cycle here. Eventually most people who had people they known got shot (everyone >> << >>) will be the ones doing the shooting. If there isnt a cycle of failure, you tell ME why its been like this for over 14 years (as long as i have been alive). If it was that easy everythign would be better. Why dont you tell me why its not better.

Roopoo · 2006-04-21, 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newtyped

You dont get the cycle, and i guess you'll never get it unless you come here -.-. Farmings that much of a hardship? And having people you know get shot isnt? People dont have high expectations, and there always will be a cycle here. Eventually most people who had people they known got shot (everyone >> << >>) will be the ones doing the shooting. If there isnt a cycle of failure, you tell ME why its been like this for over 14 years (as long as i have been alive). If it was that easy everythign would be better. Why dont you tell me why its not better.

The cycle of failure is because it is already in your head. You have convinced yourself that you have no chance, no opportunity. Not everyone has to go to Harvard, Oxford or Cambridge universities. (I am not mentioning Australian universities because I don't think most people would know them). My mother's parents were never supportive to her. They thought she should get a job to tide her over until she got married. But she really wanted a university education. She went to one of the "lesser" schools. Not one teacher mentioned university to her. She was deemed to be "factory fodder". She worked as a cleaner, waitress and shop assistant whilst at the same time getting her degree. Even though she got no support from her family. She was extremely supportive to us kids thank goodness but she managed to break the cycle. Plus she was brought up in what would be a very dodgey part of London. For those of you from the UK you woud I am sure have heard of Tottenham in North London. So please Newtype, get a life and stop feeling sorry for yourself.

Newtyped · 2006-04-21, 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roopoo

The cycle of failure is because it is already in your head. You have convinced yourself that you have no chance, no opportunity. Not everyone has to go to Harvard, Oxford or Cambridge universities. (I am not mentioning Australian universities because I don't think most people would know them). My mother's parents were never supportive to her. They thought she should get a job to tide her over until she got married. But she really wanted a university education. She went to one of the "lesser" schools. Not one teacher mentioned university to her. She was deemed to be "factory fodder". She worked as a cleaner, waitress and shop assistant whilst at the same time getting her degree. Even though she got no support from her family. She was extremely supportive to us kids thank goodness but she managed to break the cycle. Plus she was brought up in what would be a very dodgey part of London. For those of you from the UK you woud I am sure have heard of Tottenham in North London. So please Newtype, get a life and stop feeling sorry for yourself.

I dont feel sorry for myself

I got an education. I am talking about everyone else. How everyone else here is caught in this cycle, remember I realize the cycle and i dont like it. I also dont like people who dont understand what this cycle means to other people...

Aoie_Emesai · 2006-04-21, 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImperialPanda

I'll tell you what's hard.

1) Spend 4 years working 12 hours a day on a farm and 6 hours at night studing to a candle.
2) Going to an university and then studying day and night along with a job for another 8 years to get to US.
3) Be a fulltime student along with a 50 hr per week job in the lab. No saturdays off, no holidays except one day for christmas. Do this for another 4 years.

After all this, my dad went from rural farm person in China to Software Engineer in US. House, car, etc.

Compared to that what kids in those lesser schools have to go through to be equally successful is a freaking joke. They got things made for them already.

We all fee sorry for your hardship in your earlier years, but this thread is about segeration in our society today not a thread on personal asperity of people. I understand that usually a person personal experience totally affects how one would respond in such matters like this. If like me, who was born in like a town of silence and the most heinous crime to have been commited here would be like a speeding ticket. How one was born in to the world and the atmosphere around them would affect how they would think growing up.

An example would be like if a white man beat the crap of you, you would probably dislike white people for a while.

Newtyped · 2006-04-21, 13:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aoie_Emesai

We all fee sorry for your hardship in your earlier years, but this thread is about segeration in our society today not a thread on personal asperity of people. I understand that usually a person personal experience totally affects how one would respond in such matters like this. If like me, who was born in like a town of silence and the most heinous crime to have been commited here would be like a speeding ticket. How one was born in to the world and the atmosphere around them would affect how they would think growing up.

An example would be like if a white man beat the crap of you, you would probably dislike white people for a while.

Well like most people who CURRENTLY have a higher standard of living, they fail to understand that life isnt easy for everyone. They degrade other peoples problems as if they werent anything at all, and feel that people choose to be in a cycle of failure. This is a problem today =/ (i am talking about the person you are quoting, not you ^^;

Nightbat® · 2006-04-21, 16:04

People tend to associate themselves with others they can or want to identify with

for nobody it is demanded to be social correct and mingle with every possible 'character'

So why address it like it's some sort of problem?
there are no problems, the only thing you see happening is jealousy or fear for
another "group's" status

2006-04-20, 08:21	Link #1
Aoie_Emesai ♪♫ Maya Iincho ♩♬ Artist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Unnecessary Age: 38	Are we still segerated, Today? This CNN article got me thinking again. Here's the article. Since i'm in college now, the segeration has stopped dramically and practically everyone loves each other. I'm not sure of the segeration outside of the United States, but it must be about the same too. (talk about your outside of the United States Segeration issues too, if you want) To me, as it seems that segeration isn't much of skin color now. It feels more like segeration by interest. Back in high school, you had your segeration like apartment building complexes. You had your blacks in one side. You had the Freaks on one side, though I think this word is a harsh word to use for ordinary peoples. You had all the latinos in one group. You had all the preppy people in another. Then almost last are the nerds, who always get the highest grades in math and science. Lastly were the people who didn't fit into either of these groups or did fitted into everyone of these segerated groups. Segeration of everything seems like it is a mediocre issue but it has never really tackled down to be subdued for reasoning and interpretation. I have friends in every group and it's really unfair for them to be treated as unequally and as improper as this. It's the minority that are being pegged on. There's that saying "Majority rules but minority rights", Ha! this is oftenly accepted but the second part of it totally ignored. I guess people are too arrogant and inordinately buried in their work and their life to be worried about something that offers little to them and the end results won't be a lasting or won't give a progressive end deed. ps: I hope no one anwers with 1-5 words . __________________ How to Give / Receive Criticism on your work / Like to draw? Come join Artists Alike Visit my Deviantart Or Blog ~A Child should always surpass his/her parent, Remember.

2006-04-20, 11:24	Link #6
Chichi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Concerning ethnic segregation, despite myself originally living in London, a cosmopolitan, groups were still defined but the opportunity to mix was readily available and was naturally done without any hesitation. I was generalizing the whole topic to comply with the original poster since we all love to label each other. Ethnic segregation is slightly different as it also leads to people being prejudice. Whether they knowingly act this way is solely dependent on the individual. Even those who are openly sociable are conscious of "supposable" difference. I am mixed racially so I have a moderately different view on the whole topic. In London I was accepted by practically everyone, but incidentally I also had many Japanese friends. Why is this, was it because I'm half Japanese or that they were simply nice people to be with? Last edited by Chichi; 2006-04-20 at 12:06.

2006-04-20, 12:45	Link #9
Shay Monarch Programmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Liverpool Age: 42	I would have to say I fit in to all groups. However, I did notice the segregation, for there were times when one group would ask me why I hung with another. I would also often try to bridge the gap as well by inviting, say a nerd to come skating, or a skater to come play football. Most of the time it worked and I'd like to think on some occasions I was the cause of long lasting friendships between people who without me would never have even met. Even out of school it was the same, I would literally have specific days for different groups. There was a small hitch to this sort of socialising though, and that was I had no real allegiance to any faction. If there were ever any conflicts, I would always be stuck right in the middle. Even at the age I am now I haven't changed at all. I still go out with different groups of friends all the time. Work friends, proper friends, friends of friends, girlfriends-work-friends, etc. Or on the other hand, I just stay in and play with my internet friends. The point of this post? Err, maybe I'm just trying to say I like all types of people, nerd, jock, black, white, blue or green. As long as you're not a twat you're cool with me. And that's how everyone should be. The world would be a better place, ne? __________________ Current Anime - Attack on Titan Current Manga - Naruto Current Book - Waiting for War of the Roses Current Album - Vessel by Twenty One Pilots

2006-04-21, 16:04	Link #20
Nightbat® Deadpan Snarker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Neverlands Age: 47	People tend to associate themselves with others they can or want to identify with for nobody it is demanded to be social correct and mingle with every possible 'character' So why address it like it's some sort of problem? there are no problems, the only thing you see happening is jealousy or fear for another "group's" status __________________

2006-04-20, 11:01	Link #2
Chichi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	This derives back to human society yet again where segregated ideals are inevitable for the simple reason that everyone develops likes, dislikes and so on. Where a certain individual may end up is purely happenstance. It is based on a variety of influential experiences that govern the social group he/she may choose, it being intentional or not and most ultimately where they feel comfortable/compactable. This notion applies to all walks of life and will never end, we will forever be segregated in some form or another.

2006-04-20, 11:07	Link #3
SomeWhiteGuy Member Join Date: Apr 2006	You know what, I think it's sad that people keep talking about this. Primarily because back in my early days of elementary school, the thought never even came to my mind to even notice the difference from person to person. I mean, some people were white, some black, some Asian, etc. It wasn’t till I learned about segregation in history class that I even noticed the difference. To me, I kinda feel like segregation is just something that everyone else invented.

2006-04-20, 11:09	Link #4
Chichi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	It has been integrated into society as part of human nature. It's only until we question ourselves that we notice what was always there.

2006-04-20, 11:17	Link #5
srb I can see time itself! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kingdom of Sweden Age: 37	I mostly hang out with two bosnians, two other ethnic swedes and a kurd in my school, and it is a white dominant but quite ethnically diverse school. However, in Sweden we don't have much of a history of problems regarding segregation. During the last 30 years the problem has arisen, but our cities are small enough that most schools are ethically diverse with the exceptions for "ghetto schools" located in segregated concrete jungle projects where only immigrants live - social segregation due to the government's inexistant integration policies. What the article describes seems to also be a result of government meddling, but in another way - schools can't actually reject students here, unless they're at full capacity, but it seems that with the passing of that law tons of schools reject "risky" students so that their rankings won't go down. Silly law makes silly people do silly and hurtful things.

2006-04-20, 12:03	Link #7
Roopoo Roo Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney Age: 38	I went to school in New Zealand and my parents, in particular my mother, wanted me to mix with students from other ethnic groups because she felt it would make me a better person and able to understand how other racial groups thought and felt. The school I went to was predominantly polynesian. However, I found that groups naturally segregated themselves. The polynesian students seemed to group into their origin, Samoan, Fijian, Maori, Tongan. Those left over, (the minority groups) European, Indian and Asian, all bleneded into one group, being too small to form individual sections. Try as we may to mix people, groups will tend to move towards like minded people. This is why we end up with residential areas where there are all Asians, Chinese, European, Polynesian etc. It is natural to seek out people that are like you. My parents migrated to New Zealand from the UK and most of their friends are British. However, now that we have moved to Australia I find the mindset slightly different. Maybe because Australia is bigger than New Zealand, I don't really know why or maybe because the mixture of races is much more diverse. But here I find the racial issue much more relaxed than in New Zealand.

2006-04-20, 12:22	Link #8
Newtyped Gangsta Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ct Age: 32	Most people I know are either black, or hispanic. The only time I really dealt with prejudice (besides white popo) is online o_O. so to be said I dont deal majorly with this, because there isnt lots of groups I know. Of course some of my treatment online (not here ^^;; ) has giving me harsh reality. I am not used to being judged caus my bad grammar (and all the slang i speak). I hate closed minded people who keep prejudice going, and to me It seems people from either side have this mentality. I know people from the boonies, and I know over there the mentality is that black people are ignorant. I know over here the countermentality (in response to) is that white people are smug smartasses. Now i myself am mulatto, so I really cant find myself being truly blind to everything since i grew up with both sides of my family. (though I didnt grow up in the boonies, so i didnt have a suburban experiance). So i think it is the area mentality that keeps this going, if areas were more segregrated this would be less of an issue.

2006-04-20, 23:07	Link #10
ImperialPanda Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: US	Regarding the article... Honestly, I have no sympathy for this topic. Those people are just whiny kiddies who need their hands held to get through life. They have no idea what hardship is and what it means to work. "unequal education" is just another pitiful excuse for a lack of motivation. Face it: it's impossible to keep everything absolutely equal. On the broad scale of things, being born as a minority in America attending a "lesser" school is a laughably easy obstacle to overcome.

2006-04-21, 09:15	Link #14
ImperialPanda Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: US	I'll tell you what's hard. 1) Spend 4 years working 12 hours a day on a farm and 6 hours at night studing to a candle. 2) Going to an university and then studying day and night along with a job for another 8 years to get to US. 3) Be a fulltime student along with a 50 hr per week job in the lab. No saturdays off, no holidays except one day for christmas. Do this for another 4 years. After all this, my dad went from rural farm person in China to Software Engineer in US. House, car, etc. Compared to that what kids in those lesser schools have to go through to be equally successful is a freaking joke. They got things made for them already.