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Old 2004-04-11, 00:52   Link #1
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The Marines are.......

I'm up to episode 44 right now. But up to now, I've noticed an ongoing theme with the series. Marines are untrustworthy, selfish, corrupt, weak, etc. But then I thought(something I rarely do), are the writers trying to make a point that they hate Marines? Do they plan to continue their hate by expressing it through One Piece? Sorry, I know some pretty cool people in the U.S. marines, I don't think its cool how they are being mocked. (Keep in mind, I don't know if they really are being mocked, because, I don't know if the the writers are referring to the U.S. marines.)

Any body got a clue or opinion on this?
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Old 2004-04-11, 01:27   Link #2
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Later on, there are many marine characters that have integrity. This just showing not all ppl that work for the govt. would be protecting and trying to help civilian. Sometime they abuse they power. So, Oda-san(writer) isn't against marine from any country.
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Old 2004-04-11, 01:40   Link #3
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the marines in one piece are more like police than an army they catch pirates it has nothing to do with any army
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Old 2004-04-11, 09:25   Link #4
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Well, the marines are just police in One Piece, so like Whatever123 said, there's no corolation between them and real life. But yes, there is a lot of corrupt people in it. But then again, if you realize exactly WHO was running it and how big the marines are, then all the corruption makes sence. On top of that, most secondary charecters in a series like this tend to suck or be weak and clumbsy. It's to make the main charecters look awesome.
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Old 2004-04-11, 19:27   Link #5
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I'm up to episode 44 right now. But up to now, I've noticed an ongoing theme with the series. Marines are untrustworthy, selfish, corrupt, weak, etc. But then I thought(something I rarely do), are the writers trying to make a point that they hate Marines? Do they plan to continue their hate by expressing it through One Piece? Sorry, I know some pretty cool people in the U.S. marines, I don't think its cool how they are being mocked. (Keep in mind, I don't know if they really are being mocked, because, I don't know if the the writers are referring to the U.S. marines.)

Any body got a clue or opinion on this?
Well Oda likes unpredictability.

I think it's a great touch that the marines we first see are nothing but corrupt law enforcers, because it gives a greater effect of coolness when we actually meet those who aren't looking out only for themselves
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Old 2004-04-11, 19:52   Link #6
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I haven't read the manga, but so far (ep. 90) pretty much all the marines shown, with the exeption of Smoker and the guy Coby works for have bin corrupt in some way, I don't really like the marines, they just seem to be an anoying peice of the show so far(with the exeption of Smoker, Cuz he's awsome).
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Old 2004-04-11, 20:05   Link #7
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Well, seeing as the main characters are pirates, and the marines catch and/or kill pirates, the marines are the antagonists and thus, have to be given some attributes to make them seem negative. But, I don't recall the marines being evil. o.O Captain Morgan was selfish and conceited, Fullbody was a decadent pretty boy, and Nezumi was just sneaky. But yeah, there's also Smoker, Tashigi, the dog guy (whom I forget his name) along with his mysterious right-hand man, and Purin Purin (from the Arlong arc -- the marine captain who went to save Kokoyashi village). But yeah, the marines are the protagonists' enemies, so it seems only suiting to have them have unattractive qualities.
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Old 2004-04-11, 20:37   Link #8
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Old 2004-04-11, 23:08   Link #9
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Well, the marines are just police in One Piece, so like Whatever123 said, there's no corolation between them and real life. But yes, there is a lot of corrupt people in it. But then again, if you realize exactly WHO was running it and how big the marines are, then all the corruption makes sence. On top of that, most secondary charecters in a series like this tend to suck or be weak and clumbsy. It's to make the main charecters look awesome.
Yeah I can understand your guys points. There is a difference between the marines on the show cause they patrol the water for pirates. I guess I should have brought up the use of the name marines rather than suggest that the marines in One Piece is a direct copy of the US. marines. They're two totally different things. But the name is definitely the same and both names are used to describe a particular military force.

But I don't think the writer should have to use the name "Marines". There are so many other names out there which could have been used. Why use a name which is used to describe a military force in the real world and manipulate it to describe a fictional group, or force, in a fictional story. I wonder if the writer thought about any consequences before she decided on the name. Some people might take it wrongly.
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Old 2004-04-12, 00:04   Link #10
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Depending ont he person, they can take offense to anything. For example, someone for god knows what reason can be offended that Nami prefers tangerines to pears, and etc.

Of course the situations are totally different, but I doubt Oda had a master plan to offend anyone using "Marines". He's not saying that the Marines are bad, just that anybody can be corruptable.

OR...

Probably he just thought Marines sounded cooler.

BTW, in the English Translated version they say "Navy" instead of Marines. Maybe VIZ were thinking along the same lines as you?
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Old 2004-04-12, 01:45   Link #11
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Yeah I can understand your guys points. There is a difference between the marines on the show cause they patrol the water for pirates. I guess I should have brought up the use of the name marines rather than suggest that the marines in One Piece is a direct copy of the US. marines. They're two totally different things. But the name is definitely the same and both names are used to describe a particular military force.

But I don't think the writer should have to use the name "Marines". There are so many other names out there which could have been used. Why use a name which is used to describe a military force in the real world and manipulate it to describe a fictional group, or force, in a fictional story. I wonder if the writer thought about any consequences before she decided on the name. Some people might take it wrongly.
well i think the reason why oda-sensie chose marines is that they were responsible for catching pirates back at the day when pirates were still pilaging ships at that time niether coastal guards nor interpol existed to catch them
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Old 2004-04-12, 02:07   Link #12
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well i think the reason why oda-sensie chose marines is that they were responsible for catching pirates back at the day when pirates were still pilaging ships at that time niether coastal guards nor interpol existed to catch them
hmmm..... didn't know that.(not a big history buff)

If thats true, it would make a lot of sense.
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Old 2004-04-13, 17:46   Link #13
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hmmm..... didn't know that.(not a big history buff)

If thats true, it would make a lot of sense.
he didnt use marines, because he doesnt' write in english,
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Old 2004-04-15, 15:11   Link #14
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Well just think about it, even in reality every big organization has their corrupt people, and also we see more corruption in East Blue because that's the place the marines care less because it's the place were the lesser pirates hang out, so the marines out there abuse their authority since the world government doesn't have the knowledge of them doing it.
In Grand Line the marines appear to be more respecteful and righteous.
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Old 2004-04-26, 18:15   Link #15
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Well... The Marines ARE the heroes of the story, but not in a pirate's point of view. Since in OP they have a focus on pirates, some Marines look like bad; but hey, there's some damn bad Marines too XD... Like Nelson, Nezumi, Fullbody and Morgan. Well, we have a good point for a discussion here... I think the Marines are the good guys. The pirates' originally are the bad guys, but Oda made some of them kind men, like Luffy and Shanks' Crew.
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