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View Poll Results: Who is the ultimate shinobi? | |||
The 1st | 24 | 5.99% | |
The 2nd | 3 | 0.75% | |
Sarutobi | 117 | 29.18% | |
The 4th | 119 | 29.68% | |
Jiraiya | 27 | 6.73% | |
Orochimaru | 10 | 2.49% | |
Tsunde | 4 | 1.00% | |
Itachi | 73 | 18.20% | |
Other...[Please State Who] | 24 | 5.99% | |
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2004-05-22, 20:55 | Link #61 |
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Itachi and Kisame were there to take Naruto. It wouldnt be a useless fight if they had gotten Naruto.
If a ninja ran from every fight because he might get hurt, wtf is the point? You are gonna have to fight on some missions. I said I dont think any ninja who runs away from a battle is scared. Sometimes there IS no point in a fight, like when Itachi and Kisame took off after Gai showed up. Would there be ANY point to that fight? No. Is there a reason to stay and fight Jiraiya? YES, their mission was to get Naruto. |
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BUT, since we do NOT know what happened and all we have to rely on is the "silly lil eye trick" Itachi pulled on Sasuke, then I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt, eh? Quote:
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2004-05-22, 21:17 | Link #63 |
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For those of you who think Itachi can wipe out Jiraiya so easily. LOok up a translation of the chapter when Itachi and Kisame were talking after the encounter. THey said something like at best we would draw. And things like that. I base that on 3 different translations manga and anime. Not exact words but all suggest that Itachi AND Kisame would put up a good fight with him but maybe not win.
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2004-05-22, 21:21 | Link #64 | |
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2004-05-23, 00:29 | Link #65 |
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Well Itachi could "fear for his safety"
I think the main thing was, Itachi was tired, and fighting someone like Jiraiya who is just as powerful as himself, would not be a good idea. Therefore he left. Oh btw, the silly little eye trick of Itachi, which supposedly can only be countered by another mange sharingan user. This made me wonder, now if Sasuke was to get the mange sharingan in the future, and than kill Itachi with it, now wouldn't this make Sasuke a God and have him be more powerful than Naruto and everyone else forever? That would just be plain retarded, and I think there are many other ways to defeating the mange sharingan. |
2004-05-23, 00:50 | Link #66 | ||
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"Strength" doesn't always determine the outcome of the battle. A slightly weaker opponent can easily defeat a stronger one in the right condition. He does not fear the stronger one at all for he knows he has a chance of winning. He proceeds with caution and strikes when favorable. However, if the situation actually starts off worse for the weaker one, then why take the risk? I'm not going to determine whether Itachi or Jiraiya is stronger (I actually said over and over again in the past that Jiraiya is stronger overall, but Itachi has triumph cards that tip things to his favor); I'm merely arguing that even if Jiraiya is superior and stronger, Itachi did not retreat out of fear but out of caution. There's a huge difference. And as for not finishing people off or not dealing the final blow...my goodness, look at Kabuto vs Naruto? Why did he not just kill Naruto straight up? What a retard! Oro and Jiraiya...why were they just standing there on the snake instead of duking it out and beating each other senseless? Retards...these people should be cold-blooded and just kill kill kill. Quote:
Now, to your point. If Sasuke actually gained the power to surpass Itachi, it most likely might be a spurt-of-moment thing. But if could maintain that level of ability and mastery of the Mangekyo Sharingan, then yes, we should start praising him as the poor man's version of Itachi--Sasuke is too emotional, cares too much about pride, stubborn, not as experienced, not as fast, and not as quick with handseals--but hey, all those things I just mentioned don't really matter since ninja battles are about nothing but strength vs strength, right? |
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2004-05-23, 01:46 | Link #67 | |
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Chidori (in the torso area) and Rasanga are just a few. You might say that Kabuto survived Naruto's Rasanga but after that blast, he is pretty much crippled that had Naruto been in a slightly better condition, he can finish him off with ease. So for quite a few moves, the only counter is to avoid it. EPYON |
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2004-05-23, 08:02 | Link #69 | ||
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Umm,im not sure if you were joking about the Quote:
If it were Itachis' Tsukiyonami(*Is it just me or is Tsukiyonami hard to spell?Ne?*) then,what happened to the rest of the Uchiha's bodies? And if it were Itachis' trick,then wouldnt the rest of the Uchiha be alive? (*Headache*) =There are people who like Itachi as a character?!Unreal!! |
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2004-05-23, 08:05 | Link #70 | |
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I think what Gai meant was,there was a trick to depicting(?) a person's movement by looking at his nice wonderfull feet,not a way to counter the Mange Sharingan.(*Maybe being able to foretell(?)(?) the persons' movement by looking at his feet alone is the counter in itself?Hmmm...*) |
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2004-05-23, 08:09 | Link #71 |
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Wow Sarcasteak bravo mate you are the only one defending Itachi here and shutting everybody up. Good job mate, but the funny thing is they won't understand it,they just don't get it that Itachi is stronger than Jiraiya. Heck Itachi is not even in his prime.
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2004-05-23, 08:19 | Link #72 |
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No ones being shut up. What evidence do we even have Itachi is stronger? Maybe you're the one who dosn't get it.
How do we know Jiraiya is in his prime? Hes 50, which is pretty old. You think what you want, I'll think what I want. Until we see proof, neither of us is RIGHT. So why don't you stop acting like that. |
2004-05-23, 08:25 | Link #73 | |
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But im pretty sure,Itachi Is stronger then the Perrvy-Senin(?) Lets take them all back into the days when they were prime shall we? (*Plz note im drawing the line of "prime" at when Orochimaru was in Akatsuki, and when Jiraiya was,um,stronger then now *) Taking into consideration that Orochimaru was the strongest of the Senin,and that he said himself that Itachi could chop him into little bits,proves that Itachi is stronger then Jiraiya. (*sounds stupid,i know.*) |
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2004-05-23, 08:44 | Link #74 | |
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Asuma says hes about the only one that can do it. Gai says there is another way but no time to explain. From what I can make out from that, theres another way to fight him other than just by looking at his feet. Last edited by realdeal; 2004-05-23 at 10:22. |
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2004-05-23, 08:49 | Link #76 |
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When Sarutobi told Jiraiya he should be more like Orochimaru, they had just graduated to Genin, since Sarutobi gave them the bell test.
Now, if we look back at how Sasuke was stronger than Naruto during the bell test, which is obviously given to the ninjas that had just graduated, could we really say, Sasuke is and will forever be stronger than Naruto? No, its been about a year since then, and Naruto is already stronger. Plus, look at the parallels here. The Legendary 3 and Team 7 are almost exactly alike. So i take it as, at first Jiraiya was weaker, but became stronger just like Naruto and Sasuke. And, Oro will never admit his once weaker rival is stronger than him now, just like how Sasuke can't. And do you really think, their growth rates stayed the same since they were 12? For all we know Jiraiya shot past Oro just like Naruto did to Sasuke. |
2004-05-23, 08:59 | Link #77 | |
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Didnt you see the part in NarutoVol.19?When Orochimaru stated that,even though both of them were holding back,their difference in abilities was still there(or something along that line) But you then could also say that,even Jiraiya 'lost' to Orochimaru,it still does not say much.(or something along that line*) But then again,i myself am not too sure about the manga,for the version im reading is in chinese(btw,the translation is pin-point to the jap editions,although a few sentences were different form the Eng. versions.Thus,im not too sure about the part where Orochimaru bit Jiraiyas' neck and went "Something,something...Etc." Because if i said im' absolutly correct,i cant really back that up,because the majority read the english versions,and i cant deny what Kishimoto-sama(*did i just say "-sama"?*)said. |
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2004-05-23, 09:13 | Link #78 | ||
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And yes that was a stupid post, we have only seen Itachi run from Jiraiya with the shark guy. Not a real fight, and if "a" can beat "b" and "b" can beat "c" it doesn't mean that "a" can beat "c". Thought I think Orochimaru and Jiraiya is on an equal line. Quote:
P.S: Jiraiya is 50 years old, so he aint in his prime either! so it is equal. |
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2004-05-23, 09:18 | Link #79 | |
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Yes,you're right.If A can win B dont' mean B can beat C.(*Saying that just made my previous post completly useless didnt' it?*) (*Opinion*)But then again,I think Orochimaru is better then Jiraiya. |
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2004-05-23, 09:20 | Link #80 | |
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Yeah,you're right it is fun. But,i just found it funny,that we people are argueing(?) about something which Kishimoto-san can change at the merest flick of his finger!! |
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