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Perfect 10 | 93 | 42.86% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 50 | 23.04% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 10.14% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 17 | 7.83% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 3.23% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 0.92% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 5 | 2.30% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 5 | 2.30% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 1.84% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 12 | 5.53% | |
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2009-03-20, 16:21 | Link #361 |
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I'm also reading his opinions on the episode and I'd like some clarification on what he means by cluttered. Do you mean too many scenes in different locations or too many themes? How can it be cluttered by incorporating domestic problems when that's something that's so central to Taiga's life? These problems are why Taiga is living next to Ryuuji in the first place and you're upset they're dealing with the final aspect of them (Taiga's dad ending his financial support and her mom taking her away) in the second to last episode? Would you prefer they didn't bring it up at all? As for Yasuko and her problems we've known about this issue for a while now, and as Taiga says she views her as an important part of her family. Isn't it natural they'd want to help her like this, especially considering that this is the end of the series and how her past ties up with what her and him were going to do?
I can respect you for taking an unpopular opinion in an official thread and admittedly my interpretations of aspects of this show have ended up being wrong many many times but from what you wrote on your blog it seems to me that you can't quite put your finger on what you disliked about it. Give it some time and it might fit together better. In particular Minori's explanation in the infirmary that you and your friend disliked. Spoiler:
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2009-03-20, 16:32 | Link #364 | ||
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And I'd argue that you'd really have to go to college, leave home, experience a lot of people/places, to really have anything resembling life experiences. I certainly haven't had much of what I'd call life experience. But then again, I live in a small town. Quote:
The novels have a lot more insight into the thoughts of the characters and their motivations, and draw the scenarios out a lot more. Again, I've said it before. Toradora succeeds as a show and not as an adaptation, where something like Index succeeds as an adaptation but not as a show. What Taiga does to Ryuuji in the novel is pretty evocative of what she's saying in the preview. |
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2009-03-20, 16:35 | Link #365 |
I disagree with you all.
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It's not merely that they want to stay together. They want to escape.
Ryuji wants to escape his feelings of guilt about "ruining" Yasuko's life. I don't think it's so much that he resents Yasuko having expectations of him, or her wanting him to work hard at his studies. It's that whenever she pushes him to study, he feels she regrets having been a teenage mother and having to drop out of school. Taiga wants to escape families she feels she isn't a part of. Well, it's pretty obvious why she'd feel that way about her father. Her mother... I guess it's because of her new husband and kid? Honestly, I have a harder time understanding Taiga. I feel there's something there, but I can't quite grasp it. They're not dumb. They knew it was a bad idea almost as soon as they formulated it. They just can't help themselves. As for the grandparents - I don't think we've got enough data to know what that's about. But I trust Yasuko, and it was her idea. Unless it was Inko's, and I trust Inko even more. |
2009-03-20, 16:41 | Link #366 |
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It's basically summarizing what happens in the novels though.
I doubt it'd matter if they spent a month instead of a week adapting it, episodes can still only have about 21 minutes of story. Index isn't too bad, it's as if they took the Toradora out of Shana. |
2009-03-20, 17:18 | Link #367 |
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I'm totally not going to lie. This episode was definitely not one of the best, if even close.
The confession was just... It just seemed so thrown in. There was a lacking of serious connection in it. This whole thing sort of ruined it for me, having that sort of confession, and then them deciding to run away (even though they know it's a horrible idea), and them already basically becoming husband and wife. It was just so rushed, there wasn't even time for any romantic moments. I don't know, I still like Toradora!, but this was a bit disappointing for me.
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2009-03-20, 17:28 | Link #368 | |
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And Index is just exposition. Constantly. Non-stop. Just like in the books. |
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2009-03-20, 17:45 | Link #369 | |
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2009-03-20, 17:54 | Link #370 |
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Hmmm, I won't deny the episode ends up looking like a series of five second video clips of what actually transpired over a significant length of time.... kind of a Blair Cloverfield witchmonster summary of the events. Even as a stand alone storytelling (ignore the novel completely), it comes off a bit shortchanged.
I'll just keep saying I think a 3-cour run would have helped a LOT. The choppy event pace garnered a "7" but individual scenes of wonder brought it up to an "8" for me. edit: actually, some regret at that vote... should have been "6" and "7" but too late. There are many legitimate complaints about the episode (filtering for hyperbole) but there is also a fair bit of pathetically disguised 'shipping blooming as just 'hating'
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2009-03-20, 17:58 | Link #372 |
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maybe its because i'm getting old, but the sheer retardedness of their actions put me off.. i was also expecting more out of the Minorin and Ami moment after everyone had left. but i was disappointed there as well.
i was half expecting Ya-chan to pull a nice boat when he got home. left hanging there too unfortunately. |
2009-03-20, 18:12 | Link #374 |
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Finally watched the subs. Individual scenes made an impact on me; however with the way the events flowed, one can feel that the episode was rushed and was pieced together rather quickly. IMO if they didn't put in the 2 filler episodes (ep 3 and 4 IIRC) and used those for this one, this episode wouldn't feel so cramped. I just barely understood what was happening and fortunately was able to connect the dots.
Gave the episode a 9/10 if only because I could relate to what is happening to the main cast since I was as stupid as them when I was younger. As a side note, people seem to forget that their culture is vastly different from ours. So the strange things they do may seem odd and stupid to most, but maybe it makes perfect sense there. I don't know. Last edited by Keio; 2009-03-20 at 18:14. Reason: For clarity. |
2009-03-20, 18:22 | Link #375 | |
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I have noticed that the episode ratings skew pretty high, but that's normal for fan polls... most fans run on a 7 to 10 scale, really. Not surprising, the people who don't like the show aren't watching this late in the series. |
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2009-03-20, 18:27 | Link #376 | |
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Not the best episode but it was pretty good none the less. We had our comedy thrown in nicely too. And what's with getting married right off the bat? I think I've seen it in other series too.. is it a Japanese thing or something?
And I think it would have been good if they had one or two time jumps to use as a semi-good excuse for not having the development we would have needed. Quote:
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2009-03-20, 18:35 | Link #377 | |
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People are getting as overblown as the chars though, it's pretty clear that atleast Ryuuji is reconsidering all the 'plans' he was making on running away and getting married. Should be getting in the next ep the step back and think over. |
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2009-03-20, 18:38 | Link #378 | |
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2009-03-20, 19:05 | Link #379 | |
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2009-03-20, 19:06 | Link #380 |
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aye... polls skew towards 8 rather than 5 on most series. I'll happily admit that my "average" for any series is usually "8" ... if it drops to 6 or below I drop it.
I don't think ya'll want me browsing through every series I think is garbage and voting "1-5" for every episode. Or... do you? Backseat driving at what Taiga/Ryuuji/et al "should have done" is easy..... they were working with the data they had and the careening emotions since the ski trip. So yeah --- teenage angst ftw...
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