Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Discussion & News [Spoilers]

[M_Flores]

Originally Posted by The Small One

Possible. But seriously: I also wouldn't have used it, if I were Ribbons.

Think about it: The Tau-drives aren't able to operate independently, like normal drives, so they are even more powered-out and useless after Trans-Am. So lets assume Ribbons went Trans-Am right away, and something went wrong. This would mean, that his machine would become useless about the time Setsuna's machine is back with full power. Then Ribbons would be in a really bad situation.
So trying to defeat him normally and only going Trans-Am when really needed is technically the better choice.

What could go wrong though? We've seen Bushido use Trans-Am and others with no problem - even the Revive and Hilling used Trans-Am more than once in the final battle, IIRC. We're not sure about the stability of of Reborn's TDS, so it's hard to tell.

So if Ribbons used Trans-Am while Setsuna was still recharging, Ribbons would've just pummelled the OO Raiser and it wouldn't have been able to quantize to avoid the fang barrage and probably would've taken out a chunk out of OO anyway, so by the time Reborn's Trans-Am wears off, there wouldn't have been much left of the OO for Ribbons to worry about.

No, I'm not saying that I want the bad guys to win, but lol... they could've.

[Ardi220288]

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[Halibel-sama]

Originally Posted by The Small One

Possible. But seriously: I also wouldn't have used it, if I were Ribbons.

Think about it: The Tau-drives aren't able to operate independently, like normal drives, so they are even more powered-out and useless after Trans-Am. So lets assume Ribbons went Trans-Am right away, and something went wrong. This would mean, that his machine would become useless about the time Setsuna's machine is back with full power. Then Ribbons would be in a really bad situation.
So trying to defeat him normally and only going Trans-Am when really needed is technically the better choice.

IF that was the reason Ribbons didn't use Trans-Am on the get go, then he does not have any business being a Mobile Suit pilot. Someone who is afraid and has no faith in his machine doesn't deserve to be a pilot.

IMO, the reason why Ribbons didn't Trans-Am rape Setsuna was because he believed he didn't need to. Because he knows he's better, and he is, he doesn't need it to destroy someone who is inferior to him. Ego that is. Which is justified because he really is better than anyone as far as piloting goes.

[GundamMeisterLockon]

Originally Posted by Halibel-sama

IF that was the reason Ribbons didn't use Trans-Am on the get go, then he does not have any business being a Mobile Suit pilot. Someone who is afraid and has no faith in his machine doesn't deserve to be a pilot.

IMO, the reason why Ribbons didn't Trans-Am rape Setsuna was because he believed he didn't need to. Because he knows he's better, and he is, he doesn't need it to destroy someone who is inferior to him. Ego that is. Which is justified because he really is better than anyone as far as piloting goes.

in fairness reborns gundam was the last gundam standing in the reborns vs double o match up and he did perform well in a 1st generation gundam up agaisnt a 3rd gen one so yeah i would say he is a very good pilot no doubt

[GundamMeisterLockon]

maybe ribbons didn't go trans am because he was saveing it 4 when setsuna will go trans am so that he can counter it besides it doesn't make sense to begin with one of your big weapons its better to save it

[M_Flores]

Originally Posted by The Small One

Ribbons couldn't know, that Setsuna was out of particles and still recharging. Well, he could have guessed, since Setsuna used a really big load of particles before, but we have no idea on how much time as passed. It was enough time for Setsuna to land, go to Veda, have a little talk with Tieria, go back to his Gundam and launch. It has probably been at least about 10-15 minutes. Usually it should have been more than enough time for the drives to recharge.

Well that's the clincher isn't it? There's not much of a possibility Ribbons would have known.
But if he did know about OO Raiser's status, I was wondering would the fight turn out any different? Would he have used Trans-Am to finish him quick? Or would he not, because his A) ego or B) MS limitations? etc.

And yeah, now that someone brought it up, I'd say Setsuna and Ribbons might be about even in terms of piloting if not Setsuna being better. Setsuna after all, just fought against Regnant, then Gadessa and Garazzo, and a squad of A-LAWS suits on the episode prior to said fights while Ribbons came out with a fresh, brand new MS. Setsuna was still able to hold his ground, even overpowering Ribbon's once or twice in a sword clash (is this due to MS performance or pilot's skill?).
And not to mention Reborn Gundam having a crapload of weapons compared to OO Raiser at the time they started fighting.

There are certain variables in this fight that could have made the fight go either way, which is what made me enjoy this fight a lot and may have some potential discussion toward it.

[fertygo]

Make it simpler guys >_>
Ribbons not use the Trans- Am before Setsuna using it, because he knows if he cannot finish Setsuna before the 00-Raiser have good ammount of Trans- Am duration Time, he will in deep Trouble.
so from the beginning Ribbons planned to use Trans - Am only if Setsuna use his Trans - Am to Counter it.

[M_Flores]

Originally Posted by fertygo

Make it simpler guys >_>
Ribbons not use the Trans- Am before Setsuna using it, because he knows if he cannot finish Setsuna before the 00-Raiser have good ammount of Trans- Am duration Time, he will in deep Trouble.
so from the beginning Ribbons planned to use Trans - Am only if Setsuna use his Trans - Am to Counter it.

Except Ribbons actually used Trans-Am first before Setsuna did, who just realized that he can use Trans-Am as well after noticing his suit recharged to a sufficient level.

[gundam rider]

i hope this special edition stuff contains remade/new footages as with the Code Geass series,

or an alternate plot story telling to match the series's OP & ED animations, cuz i kinda think that the OP & ED movies, especialy season 2's are kinda a bit way-off from the series actual plot......

nah that never happens.......

[fertygo]

Originally Posted by M_Flores

Except Ribbons actually used Trans-Am first before Setsuna did, who just realized that he can use Trans-Am as well after noticing his suit recharged to a sufficient level.

aw... but it corrected a little of my theory isn't it
Ribbons only want use the Trans-Am if Setsuna using it too, knowing capabilities of his Tau GN-Adrive, if he forced use Trans-Am before setsuna, maybe he will face the same trouble alike when Setsuna with his 00 face Bushido in first time in 2nd season with Samurai Ahead Custom.

Originally Posted by gundam rider

i hope this special edition stuff contains remade/new footages as with the Code Geass series,

and lelouch will appear with his colossal laugh

or an alternate plot story telling to match the series's OP & ED animations, cuz i kinda think that the OP & ED movies, especialy season 2's are kinda a bit way-off from the series actual plot......

nah that never happens.......

it like hoping ASTRAY will get animated

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by fertygo

it like hoping ASTRAY will get animated

Technically, Astray did get animated... as two 5-minute OVA's

[Kelrys]

With Tieria gone, and Allelujah travelling around the world... Do you think 2 new meisters will take their place in the movie?

Any confirmation the movie is not compilation movies like the Zeta did?

[Papaya]

Originally Posted by Kelrys

With Tieria gone, and Allelujah travelling around the world... Do you think 2 new meisters will take their place in the movie?

Any confirmation the movie is not compilation movies like the Zeta did?

I'm sure Tieria can make clones of himself now.

[gundam rider]

errr...um, mr. Erde can still pilot a gundam even without his secks shell body, as it is clearly shown in the series afterall,
Unless they can upgrade the Haros to become combat independent & could even surpass a human operator's skills.....

Gundam meister Haro FTW?!.....

[Papaya]

Originally Posted by gundam rider

errr...um, mr. Erde can still pilot a gundam even without his secks shell body, as it is clearly shown in the series afterall,
Unless they can upgrade the Haros to become combat independent & could even surpass a human operator.....

Gundam meister Haro FTW?!.....

They didn't really show him piloting it... just activating the Trial System, really.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Papaya

They didn't really show him piloting it... just activating the Trial System, really.

So having it disengage from Seravee, transform, and get it above the Celestial Being doesn't count as piloting?

[Papaya]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

So having it disengage from Seravee, transform, and get it above the Celestial Being doesn't count as piloting?

No, it doesn't. That's the equivalent of physical Tieria hitting a few buttons.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Papaya

No, it doesn't. That's the equivalent of physical Tieria hitting a few buttons.

Yeah, no. I imagine it takes more than a button-push to drive the Seraphim upwards.

[Papaya]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Yeah, no. I imagine it takes more than a button-push to drive the Seraphim upwards.

For all you know, upwards movement of Seraphim may be part of the ejection sequence.

He couldn't even evade a beam from Reborn Cannon.
Inb4 "took him by surprise" --he has Veda's backup now.

His consciousness clearly wasn't busy with the Seraphim.

[gundam rider]

Originally Posted by Papaya

They didn't really show him piloting it... just activating the Trial System, really.

so, its just an auto-pilot or something else actually flying the Seraphim?...

Other than the Veda interface system?,

By the way, its kinda akward for Setsu-chan to shout out Tiera-hime's name onto an empty, pilotless Seraphim unit despite already knowing that he is actually floating inside Veda....