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Only a Freshman in HS wouldn't be able to pick up the fact that Alicia has been looking at him differently for at least 8 episodes. He graduated College for crying outloud. He's not a child anymore. His outlook on everything in the game, is believable considering his age. His outlook on everything in the anime, is believable for a HS 1st year, not a 22 year old.
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2009-08-03, 15:30 | Link #123 | |
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Valkyria, more or less a "military anime" turned into "shoujo love triangle anime" about group of middle schoolers. To make things "better" another wimpy, irritating emo character was introduced - Rammal. So far only reason of his existence is being male? tsundere emo - his characters has no other purpose. I expect soon Faldio - only protagonist sometimes acting as an adult will turn into another emo character, also without any reason, so Welkin will act a little more mature. Most probably that change will also come without any reason. What I'm trying to say is VC is not a military anime, with characters who act without any reason and personalities fitting for emo kids, not adults. For a moment I was thinking about buying PS3 just to play VC, cause I really liked animation and world setting, I also like strategy games. But now I don't want to, even if most players says that game is not as retarded as anime.
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2009-08-03, 16:25 | Link #125 |
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Why is everyone calling Welkin a spineless wimp? It's really pissing me off.
Anime-Welkin is doing what would be considered most professional as a soldier: he's trying to distance himself from others he cares for. It may seem cruel of him, but it's so he can do his job as the CO of Squad Seven. If he were to attach himself too much to others, he'd be prone to making critical mistakes in battle by worrying about them. And those kinds of mistakes could spell the squad's demise, something he can't allow to happen. Granted, it does make him less likable, but realistically it would be considered wise of him. |
2009-08-03, 17:24 | Link #126 |
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Because he mopes around for episodes on end, and when he finally decides on an action he takes the coward's way out?
Seriously, it doesn't matter about his actions this episode, because he's lacked a spine since the very begining of the anime. He hasn't grown one, he never had one, all he's done is adapt to his invertibrate status. Put it this way as well, what sort of CO are you going to trust more? One that demonstrates that they are human and can grieve for their own bloody sister, or one who acts like her death was nothing important because it's a war? I'd personally say that the latter would cause unit morale to tank horribly, because if he couldn't give a rats about his own sister, why would he care about keeping YOU alive? |
2009-08-03, 17:41 | Link #127 | |
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I guess Welkin could stand to show a bit more humanity. Here's hoping that Faldio slugging him did the trick, but I remain doubtful. |
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2009-08-03, 17:47 | Link #128 | |
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@kalbron - I've seen them, looks much better than anime.
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2009-08-03, 18:46 | Link #129 | |
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I mean sure it's fine for it to happen but it's been going how long? Episode 12? And now we're in 18 and he's still moping? |
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2009-08-04, 00:05 | Link #130 | ||
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Speaking of the funeral, should he have said something not as cold as what he said in episode 18, say something about how she lived instead and the need to continue fighting for her from now on, this would be more inspiring and expected from your leader, NO CONTROVERSIES! Quote:
About the choices you gave, the second pick would be... yikes! This is clearly not the way to act as a CO when you need all your people behind you. As I said, should he have shown more humanity OR these foolish writers to keep his former self here, we'd be fine. Personally, the thing I hate most about this series is how they lowered Welkin just to make room for Faldio's rise to the top 3. Well, I don't give a rat's about Faldio as he should have been given the role of the overjealous friend having no hope of stealing the spotlight and prone to a possible betrayal, period! Where is Faldio's discussion thread? I shall speak my mind over there about his character. |
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2009-08-04, 03:39 | Link #131 | ||
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He has picked up that Alicia has been looking at him differently (however I doubt he picked up that Alicia actually liked him until she told him straight) but because of the situation with Faldio and the military heirachy to an extent, Welkin does not confront the problem. I believe he has a similar outlook in the both the game and the anime but like Klabron said the anime character is more emotional. This does not make him like a high school student. I have seen many adults act in different ways and with the situation Welkin is under I am surprised he has not broke sooner. Graduating university/college does not make relationships and people easier to understand however it does give people more experiences to base things on. Welkin could have easily interpretated a connection between Faldio and Alicia. |
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2009-08-04, 06:50 | Link #132 | |
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Spoiler for Game, near end:
Anyone who argues that Anime!Welkin is more emotional [full stop], hasn't seen the scenes following Isara's death in the game recently. Or really, anytime the man mentions her afterward. If you're arguing that his emotional maturity has changed, however... Mainly I think the changes to Welkin's character are to push him into the background so that Super!Anime!Faldio can take the spotlight... since he seems to be the darling of the animation studio. Sun Shine, are you an English as a Second Language student, or are you a native English speaker that happened to major in English Language? (Either way, please don't ever say 'interpretated' again. Please. )
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2009-08-04, 07:25 | Link #133 |
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Poor Isara, only 16 years old, dying at such a young age.
As for Welkin, in my opinion, as a normal person you should mourn for a loved one like a sister who died in battle; although Isara and Welkin are not siblings by blood; it really feels poignant, since Isara was so devoted to Welkin, while Welkin is reacting so cold and ask the others to forget her. It feels like that Isara has died for nothing because she will be forgotten if Welkin's wish is granted. There's time to mourn for someone you loved, even in time of wars. Also I think the reaction of Welkin only divide the squad/people (it's already happening), so it's not in the best interest of the squad and war. Furthermore, a leader who does not care about their underlings is not a good leader, because (in return) his underlings won't have any respect/reverence for him and they surely won't fight for 100%. |
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Before this gets off-hand here, i think everyone should take a step back for a second (including myself). I read these comments on Random Curiosity... and I must say I'm stunned because I never thought of this.
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2009-08-05, 00:44 | Link #136 |
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Makes sense in a sick and twisted way. I've never liked weak-kneed wimps though. I can't respect them, and I can't relate to them in anyway. Guess it's due to the country I live in, and the fact that us boys and men push the envelope to find out who and what we are. Strength is respected here. And I wouldn't have it any other way to be honest with you.
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2009-08-05, 01:45 | Link #138 |
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Well I thought the cultural aspect was already an accepted part? I mean that is the basis for most of the shoujo ideas after all - the whole "rape is love" foolishness that goes on there. If it wasn't at least somewhat socially acceptable thought over in Japan it wouldn't sell as well.
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2009-08-05, 02:02 | Link #139 |
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Sorry. Still venting about my hate on these type of characters and I got carried away.
We have quite a few Japanese and Chinese students come to my work at one of the local airports who are training to fly before returning to their home countries, and though they are extremely respectful and well-mannered, I have noticed that every single one of them has been very reserved and soft-spoken. Though it's a welcome change from many self-centered people that were born here, it would be nice to see some fire from them. |
2009-08-05, 03:44 | Link #140 | |
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And I do not think it is realistic to say that wimp Welkin is supposed to represent majority of audience - there are various people in there us like in here, and while a lot seem suppressed, brown-nosing at office, they can be pretty boastful after a few drinks of beer or other alcohol drink. I don't think majority of them are wimps, on the contrary a lot of them have very high opinion about themselves and as anime tries to feed the popular fantasies it does not make much sense into creating wimps unless it is harem wimps (as then being a wimp is not a bad thing a all). They are suppressed because of sometimes weird to us etiquette but not really backbone less as such. And not emos like Welkin. Why do you think sch badasses like Lelouch, Kazuma etc. are always popular while such wimps like Shinji are not? Its because the realization of the inner fantasy. Well, you can say that Welkin is reality aimed character, but the problem is that neither he nor this anime in general have enough depth to come as shocking material to make it look realistic, thus loosing the purpose of a reality. Characters are too plain and one-dimensional to make them realistic (its not Evangelion, where characters were screwed up as hell, but shockingly still remained realistic due to their depth). They are (Japanese) suppressed in reality but it doest mean the are emos like Welkin, so I do not think that Welkin really can count as an example of what Japanese men are. Last edited by Darknemo2000; 2009-08-05 at 06:25. |
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