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neshru · 2010-07-03, 15:42

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Originally Posted by SeanQ

Lol This episode was supposed to be a very serious matter...but the animation just made it a comedy -_- it was nice but really funny.

The second half of the episode was perfectly serious though. And it was executed so well that it's hard to think anyone would have something to complain about it. It totally enhanced the manga experience.

Ultramarinus · 2010-07-03, 15:47

Second half was the only saving grace of the episode, that's for sure. Thankfully they had run out of LSD by then.

AuroraFlash · 2010-07-03, 16:07

Well, it's so funny how Pain is just hammered into the ground. I know that his bodies are corpses, but didn't Naruto kill other bodies of Pain with much less effort before?

Ultramarinus · 2010-07-03, 16:13

Yes, Pain cannot withstand that much beating, not even a chance. Probably even Orochimaru wouldn't be able to. It was a major blunder on studio's part.

king12354 · 2010-07-03, 16:51

I liked this episode even though some parts seem inconsistent with what happened before. I forgive them for doing that in order to make it more entertaining and more epic battle.

Zippicus · 2010-07-03, 17:22

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Originally Posted by SeanQ

Lol This episode was supposed to be a very serious matter...but the animation just made it a comedy -_- it was nice but really funny.

Yeah the only things missing were a few random anvils falling from the sky and someone getting a pie in the face.

Reckoner · 2010-07-03, 17:42

Well enough about the art and animation. I'm surprised none of the anime only viewers have commented on any of the actual content of the episode.

You know... Naruto did just about released the Kyuubi, and someone named the 4th hokage showed up at the end.

Jerseykid · 2010-07-03, 17:42

It was an impact that should of killed any other person in the naruto world, even orochimaru needs to be able to spit new versions of himself out, he can't do that if he is a puddle of goo. The little white snake getting away somehow would of been fine. But at least there is an understanding that Orochimaru is master of regeneration/overcoming death and we can appreciate that.

Now I am willing to entertain the fact that pain is the only person who would of been able to withstand it but there needs to be some kind of precedent set or pre initiative taken or post effect that then is recuperated. The fact that he is a corpse(if he even is one) is really quite irrelevant, bone crushes, chakra rods break, skin tears regardless.

KaiokenAttack · 2010-07-03, 17:46

It'd say it that way.

Plot 10/10
Ani 0/10

Does that make it a total 10/20 -> 5/10? -> 50% -> 41-50% -> below average?

FlareKnight · 2010-07-03, 17:54

As always the ability of young characters to survive anything returns. Good news for Hinata she falls below the kill line so even a seemingly fatal attack can't really kill her. Not that I'm unhappy she survived it's just the double standard for young and older characters keeps on showing itself.

I wonder what that one body is made from since it took some insane hits and kept on going. It's not like all the attacks were deflected by that ability. I guess anyone else really didn't have a hope since nothing has been able to take that one down yet.

It really was at the very limit this time around. Naruto just about unsealed the Kyuubi which would have resulted in a massive disaster. It's almost a good thing for Pain since I doubt he would have been able to do much in his condition against a fully revived Kyuubi. Curious to see what we get from the 4th now that he's shown himself. Plus has he just been sitting around in there this entire time thinking that the other times Naruto lost himself weren't important? I assume this is a one time only kind of message saved for when Naruto was about to fully release the seal. It's just that it might have been handy to give him whatever information is coming a bit earlier.

It may be a style thing, but wow the animation was kind of tough to watch this time around. Maybe it's tough to keep things looking good while moving fast, but this probably won't be an episode I look back on as a great looking one. In the end visuals are a personal perspective kind of thing, but can understand those who thought it wasn't great at times. It was certainly fluid, but damn it looked pretty bad at times. I suppose it's tough for them to avoid this when you have insane levels of fighting that come from the Kyuubi-Naruto.

On the positive it appears Sakura's complaining got her a personal ED. Hopefully she doesn't have to get herself beaten half to death to pay for it

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Alchemist007 · 2010-07-03, 19:12

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Originally Posted by Reckoner

Well enough about the art and animation. I'm surprised none of the anime only viewers have commented on any of the actual content of the episode.

You know... Naruto did just about released the Kyuubi, and someone named the 4th hokage showed up at the end.

I am only aware of like 1 person who isn't a manga reader here. Can't say I'm familiar enough with everyone though.

Frenchie · 2010-07-03, 19:20

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Originally Posted by Ulquiorra

Episode 26 was bleh. To me the best animated Naruto episode was the one where Shikamaru got emo over Asuma's death. I forget which number that was or who did it. But that one was beautiful and slower paced.

The episode you're thinking about is 82. Same animation supervisor than the ones that did 85: the battle of Hidan/Kakuzu vs Team Shikamaru. Also same person that did 166. It's actually quite funny to hear people say 85 was one of the worst episodes to date.

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Originally Posted by Alchemist007

Enlighten them. Who is responsible for the STYLE then?

The team's supervisor Atsushi Wakabayashi, most likely. Though he can't be the only one drawing. He supervises a team of animators that work for Studio Pierrot. Looking at the style, it's about the same as episode 133 of part I. Meaning that if you did like the VotE fight between Naruto and Sasuke in part I, it's not the style you rued in this episode, it's the exaggeration of emotion and the facial features.

Now if that's not what you didn't like, then we should actually be discussing the content. Not the animation or its style.

Alchemist007 · 2010-07-03, 19:27

I disliked both, but I think the 'child fight' between Naruto and Sasuke was more forgivable. It just didn't seem quite as serious as this fight for what matters.

Mr. DJ · 2010-07-03, 19:37

Sasuke piledriving Naruto into solid rock was probably his best badass moment ever

iBeast · 2010-07-03, 21:33

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Originally Posted by El_Frenchie

The episode you're thinking about is 82. Same animation supervisor than the ones that did 85: the battle of Hidan/Kakuzu vs Team Shikamaru. Also same person that did 166. It's actually quite funny to hear people say 85 was one of the worst episodes to date.

The team's supervisor Atsushi Wakabayashi, most likely. Though he can't be the only one drawing. He supervises a team of animators that work for Studio Pierrot. Looking at the style, it's about the same as episode 133 of part I. Meaning that if you did like the VotE fight between Naruto and Sasuke in part I, it's not the style you rued in this episode, it's the exaggeration of emotion and the facial features.

Now if that's not what you didn't like, then we should actually be discussing the content. Not the animation or its style.

Who did episode 143? Sasuke vs. Killer Bee.

That guy should do every single episode, bar-none.

james0246 · 2010-07-03, 22:17

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Originally Posted by iBeast

Who did episode 143? Sasuke vs. Killer Bee.

That guy should do every single episode, bar-none.

Gorou Sessha was the supervisor (in charge of the animation), and Atsushi Nigorikawa the director (in charge of the...directing).

BigGimp77 · 2010-07-04, 00:23

Minus the hammer thing I thought it was a REALLY good episode... I don't read the manga, so I don't know what was exactly filler or not. But as a fan (and critic) of the series I was very entertained.

The animation was solid, so I can excuse the lack of pristine art work. I think some of you guys are just nit picking. It wasn't perfect, but how often are you going to get this quality of animation in a TV series. I understood and agreed with many of the critics from the start of Naruto Shippuden because the animation and artwork were terrible. You have this large succesful anime franchise and they were nickel and dime-ing it. However, post Naruto/Oro fight, they have really stepped it up. It seems like some of you guys will NEVER EVER be satisfied...

The battle was epic, the music was great, the pace was good, the end of the episode left me wanting more...

My only complaint is that this should have been a double episode...

yakumo-chan · 2010-07-04, 01:29

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Originally Posted by BigGimp77

Minus the hammer thing I thought it was a REALLY good episode... I don't read the manga, so I don't know what was exactly filler or not. But as a fan (and critic) of the series I was very entertained.

The animation was solid, so I can excuse the lack of pristine art work. I think some of you guys are just nit picking. It wasn't perfect, but how often are you going to get this quality of animation in a TV series. I understood and agreed with many of the critics from the start of Naruto Shippuden because the animation and artwork were terrible. You have this large succesful anime franchise and they were nickel and dime-ing it. However, post Naruto/Oro fight, they have really stepped it up. It seems like some of you guys will NEVER EVER be satisfied...

The battle was epic, the music was great, the pace was good, the end of the episode left me wanting more...

My only complaint is that this should have been a double episode...

you are right... people who dont like this episode are stupid.... they dont know what "Art" really is..... To be honest.... I kinda prefer this kind of animation for naruto!

Ze_ · 2010-07-04, 04:04

Ok the hammer scene was a little... derp but other then that i liked it. Tbh, who cares if you see a retarded face for .1 seconds during a high speed battle i doubt that should make an episode bat or not.
Although has mentioned, the hammer scene would be an awsome sig :]

herculan · 2010-07-04, 04:06

itachi vs sasuke was a very good style imo..
Otherwise I never really disliked any of the NAruto episodes.. THe disliking started around shippuden with 1 or 2 episodes.. and then there came bee vs sasuke which i found awful :S They suddenly changed styles completely, simply watch the bit where sasuke bites karin... The background doesn't move and thebite I don'\t know..SImply bad quality.. and then the way pain looks when you get the close up in the pain vs kakashi fight.. OMG no shadows or anything simply lines only.. a 4 year old could do better... and now this :S adding crazy fight scenes which make pain incredibly strong.. Makes no sense at all.. and the thing I liked most about painwas the fact that he never lost his cool.. Always looking sharp never showing any emotions.. And in this episode he suddenly shows the most possible emotions ever... Crazy facial features..and then the fact that he got smashed by a rock and survived.. weird...

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081 - 090: Great...	19	11.52%
071 - 080: Very Good...	9	5.45%
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041 - 050: Below Average...	14	8.48%
031 - 040: Bad...	9	5.45%
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2010-07-03, 16:07	Link #223
AuroraFlash good-natured spirit Graphic Designer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Dancing with the devil	Well, it's so funny how Pain is just hammered into the ground. I know that his bodies are corpses, but didn't Naruto kill other bodies of Pain with much less effort before? __________________

2010-07-03, 17:46	Link #229
KaiokenAttack Member Join Date: Jan 2009	It'd say it that way. Plot 10/10 Ani 0/10 Does that make it a total 10/20 -> 5/10? -> 50% -> 41-50% -> below average? __________________ Insane! His powerlevel is over 9000!

2010-07-03, 17:54	Link #230
FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	As always the ability of young characters to survive anything returns. Good news for Hinata she falls below the kill line so even a seemingly fatal attack can't really kill her. Not that I'm unhappy she survived it's just the double standard for young and older characters keeps on showing itself. I wonder what that one body is made from since it took some insane hits and kept on going. It's not like all the attacks were deflected by that ability. I guess anyone else really didn't have a hope since nothing has been able to take that one down yet. It really was at the very limit this time around. Naruto just about unsealed the Kyuubi which would have resulted in a massive disaster. It's almost a good thing for Pain since I doubt he would have been able to do much in his condition against a fully revived Kyuubi. Curious to see what we get from the 4th now that he's shown himself. Plus has he just been sitting around in there this entire time thinking that the other times Naruto lost himself weren't important? I assume this is a one time only kind of message saved for when Naruto was about to fully release the seal. It's just that it might have been handy to give him whatever information is coming a bit earlier. It may be a style thing, but wow the animation was kind of tough to watch this time around. Maybe it's tough to keep things looking good while moving fast, but this probably won't be an episode I look back on as a great looking one. In the end visuals are a personal perspective kind of thing, but can understand those who thought it wasn't great at times. It was certainly fluid, but damn it looked pretty bad at times. I suppose it's tough for them to avoid this when you have insane levels of fighting that come from the Kyuubi-Naruto. On the positive it appears Sakura's complaining got her a personal ED. Hopefully she doesn't have to get herself beaten half to death to pay for it . __________________ Anime-Evo

2010-07-03, 19:27	Link #233
Alchemist007 Senior Member Author Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA	I disliked both, but I think the 'child fight' between Naruto and Sasuke was more forgivable. It just didn't seem quite as serious as this fight for what matters. __________________ Fanfics Art MyAnimeList

2010-07-03, 15:47	Link #222
Ultramarinus Disputatio exaro nex Join Date: May 2009 Location: Turkey Age: 40	Second half was the only saving grace of the episode, that's for sure. Thankfully they had run out of LSD by then.

2010-07-03, 16:13	Link #224
Ultramarinus Disputatio exaro nex Join Date: May 2009 Location: Turkey Age: 40	Yes, Pain cannot withstand that much beating, not even a chance. Probably even Orochimaru wouldn't be able to. It was a major blunder on studio's part.

2010-07-03, 16:51	Link #225
king12354 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	I liked this episode even though some parts seem inconsistent with what happened before. I forgive them for doing that in order to make it more entertaining and more epic battle.

2010-07-03, 17:42	Link #228
Jerseykid Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	It was an impact that should of killed any other person in the naruto world, even orochimaru needs to be able to spit new versions of himself out, he can't do that if he is a puddle of goo. The little white snake getting away somehow would of been fine. But at least there is an understanding that Orochimaru is master of regeneration/overcoming death and we can appreciate that. Now I am willing to entertain the fact that pain is the only person who would of been able to withstand it but there needs to be some kind of precedent set or pre initiative taken or post effect that then is recuperated. The fact that he is a corpse(if he even is one) is really quite irrelevant, bone crushes, chakra rods break, skin tears regardless.

2010-07-03, 19:37	Link #234
Mr. DJ Schwing! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Central Texas Age: 39	Sasuke piledriving Naruto into solid rock was probably his best badass moment ever

2010-07-04, 00:23	Link #237
BigGimp77 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	Minus the hammer thing I thought it was a REALLY good episode... I don't read the manga, so I don't know what was exactly filler or not. But as a fan (and critic) of the series I was very entertained. The animation was solid, so I can excuse the lack of pristine art work. I think some of you guys are just nit picking. It wasn't perfect, but how often are you going to get this quality of animation in a TV series. I understood and agreed with many of the critics from the start of Naruto Shippuden because the animation and artwork were terrible. You have this large succesful anime franchise and they were nickel and dime-ing it. However, post Naruto/Oro fight, they have really stepped it up. It seems like some of you guys will NEVER EVER be satisfied... The battle was epic, the music was great, the pace was good, the end of the episode left me wanting more... My only complaint is that this should have been a double episode...

2010-07-04, 04:04	Link #239
Ze_ Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	Ok the hammer scene was a little... derp but other then that i liked it. Tbh, who cares if you see a retarded face for .1 seconds during a high speed battle i doubt that should make an episode bat or not. Although has mentioned, the hammer scene would be an awsome sig :] __________________ Signature stolen by a horde of carnivorous bunnies. It is an unscientifically proven fact that they are attracted to signatures which break the Signature Rules.

2010-07-04, 04:06	Link #240
herculan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Birmingham	itachi vs sasuke was a very good style imo.. Otherwise I never really disliked any of the NAruto episodes.. THe disliking started around shippuden with 1 or 2 episodes.. and then there came bee vs sasuke which i found awful :S They suddenly changed styles completely, simply watch the bit where sasuke bites karin... The background doesn't move and thebite I don'\t know..SImply bad quality.. and then the way pain looks when you get the close up in the pain vs kakashi fight.. OMG no shadows or anything simply lines only.. a 4 year old could do better... and now this :S adding crazy fight scenes which make pain incredibly strong.. Makes no sense at all.. and the thing I liked most about painwas the fact that he never lost his cool.. Always looking sharp never showing any emotions.. And in this episode he suddenly shows the most possible emotions ever... Crazy facial features..and then the fact that he got smashed by a rock and survived.. weird...