New Code Geass Project Launched

[Meatrose]

Originally Posted by Xander

Then I assume you would argue that none of the Gundam series set in the Universal Century that weren't directed by Yoshiyuki Tomino are "canon" by your standards? It's a respectable belief on your part but hopefully such declarations don't lead others to confusion. Almost all anime is obviously made with a commercial intent in mind, but that doesn't necessarily say anything about canonicity.

In addition to the above, keep in mind that apparently Taniguchi doesn't have a problem with the creation of a new anime and, in fact, seems to have influenced the actual decision to make it an "expasion" as opposed to a direct sequel, at least going by his statements on the official website.

Of course, all of us have our own opinions and can throw speculations around about this or that.

That's right, I would definitely argue that... if this was a Gundam sub-forum.

Off topic segment:

I really enjoyed the original and Zeta but I think that most of the other shows are bad (there are exceptions of course, I thought shows like Seed and 00 were partly entertaining and/or decent). I still remember the good ol' times but I can't quite take anything with "Gundam" in its name seriously these days and this is due to the shameless exploration of the franchise. I always check them out though, and they're often "not really bad". Let's phrase it this way; I wouldn't miss a new Gundam, but I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near the "canon" ones. I'm much more lenient when it comes to Gundam though. I think the main difference is that I don't really care about what happens to the fictional realm of "Gundam". I really do care about the fictional realm of Code Geass (it's pretty much the only fictional realm that I truly care about). I know that I'm probably considered a "crazy purist" in the eyes of... a lot of people, but if I can't vent my opinions here - which community should I turn to? =)

(The "read between the lines even though the poster is saying something that could be considered to be negative-FAQ": this is pretty much the only anime community in which discussions which I would deem intellectual or "giving", about the specific medium of entertainment of course, are held.)

Anyhow, let's get back to Code Geass. You said that "apparently Taniguchi doesn't have a problem with the creation of a new anime" and I would say; of course, there's money involved so he's not going to oppose the idea of having the franchise make more money. I think most of us (the fans) would act the same if we were to be put in the same situation.

[yvj]

I agree with Meatrose.

Imo if O & T aren't heavily involved it would be its own separate universe. Like a Seed, Wing, Zeta

But since the new show is supposed to take place in the time line of the Code Geass we know and love/hate. Well that smells a little of Dragonball GT to me.

[Meatrose]

/salute yvj

Sup?

Edit:

Originally Posted by yvj

Imo if O & T aren't heavily involved it would be its own separate universe.

Yeah, it would be pretty much like the countless Star Wars "expanded universe" novels. George Lucas himself said that "they are not part of my universe, they're part of this other universe that consists of the various novels and video games". Luke Skywalker didn't marry Mara Jade canonically...

[D's Pear]

Honestly I think you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. I really don't see what the big deal is. As long as they don't somehow manage to botch Lelouch of the Rebellion with the new series' I honestly don't care who writes what. Sure I'll probably have less interest in it than the original series, but that doesn't automatically result in my complete rejection of it. Other things happened in the CG universe other than Lelouch's existence -is it really that out of the question to explore them to you guys?

As of yet, I don't see any reason not to accept it as canon.

Unless that is..

..They decided to revive Lelouch.

[Meatrose]

Originally Posted by D's Pear

1) Honestly I think you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. I really don't see what the big deal is. As long as they don't somehow manage to botch Lelouch of the Rebellion with the new series' I honestly don't care who writes what. Sure I'll probably have less interest in it than the original series, but that doesn't automatically result in my complete rejection of it. Other things happened in the CG universe other than Lelouch's existence -is it really that out of the question to explore them to you guys?

2) As of yet, I don't see any reason not to accept it as canon.

Unless that is..

..They decided to revive Lelouch.

1) Yeah I know I'm kind of blowing things out of proportion. It's my honest opinion though.

I wouldn't go all "nerd-rage" if they made this side-story truly "stand alone" (read: all-new cast in an all-new conflict set in the same world as the canon universe that the real creators created). I would, though, have a problem with it if it featured even one of the original characters, cause none other than the original creator (in this case there are two, sort of) can portray how/what his or her character(s) would react, say, act or behave in a certain situation. Those who didn't write and create everything in the first place only have their own interpretation of what was shown in the original work to go on when they're deciding on how a certain character would act. Granted... I wouldn't care about this if I weren't a hard-core Code Geass fanatic, I'll be the first one to admit that, but I can't take anything written or created by anyone but Okouchi (or Taniguchi) seriously. That's my personal opinion.

2) And I, personally, don't see any reason to accept is as canon. Canon to me is "material that is considered to be 'genuine', 'something that actually happened', or can be directly referenced as material produced by the original author or creator". This new anime can not under any circumstances be referenced as material produced by the original author/creator. It's simply the same production company.

[D's Pear]

Originally Posted by Meatrose

I would, though, have a problem with it if it featured even one of the original characters, cause none other than the original creator (in this case there are two, sort of) can portray how/what his or her character(s) would react, say, act or behave in a certain situation... I can't take anything written or created by anyone but Okouchi (or Taniguchi) seriously.

Oh no, I agree. Anything written by someone other than the original creators is always fair game for falling victim to Death of the Author at any given time, because after all for all intents and purposes the 'Author' is absent. But I don't think it's condemnable right off the bat. Only if they take something from the original series and ruin it. As long as there's no harm done who cares?

It's basically fan fiction with privileges -accept it as long as it stays within the boundaries of belief as set by Okouchi/ Taniguchi, reject it if it goes too far.'

Edit: But then, to be fair, I only care about Lelouch. As far as character development (or destruction) goes anyway. I suppose it might be different if I was concerned with the other characters' characters.

[Meatrose]

Originally Posted by D's Pear

1) Oh no, I agree. Anything written by someone other than the original creators is always fair game for falling victim to Death of the Author at any given time, because after all for all intents and purposes the 'Author' is absent. But I don't think it's condemnable right off the bat. Only if they take something from the original series and ruin it. As long as there's no harm done who cares?

2) It's basically fan fiction with privileges -accept it as long as it stays within the boundaries of belief as set by Okouchi/ Taniguchi, reject it if it goes too far.'

3) Edit: But then, to be fair, I only care about Lelouch. As far as character development (or destruction) goes anyway. I suppose it might be different if I was concerned with the other characters' characters.

1) Cool, that's more or less my stance on that issue as well. I would prefer a scenario in which they didn't create anything more using the Code Geass title at all, but at the same time I can see why they're doing what they're doing... from a "we're a company, we exist to make money" kind of perspective.

It's not like the world would end if they created a stand-alone feature, and I think that that's pretty much what they're doing, even though I'm fearing that some canon characters will make short appearances. =P

2) Yes, that's pretty much exactly how I've referred to... "this thing"... in previous discussions. Most of those discussions have been in Swedish, on another forum, but my opinion stays the same. I think the exact quote would be "it's a fanfiction with a ridiculously overblown budget". If we're going to go by actual terms the correct way to refer to this kind of material would be "apocrypha" - apocrypha includes those fictional stories that do not belong within a fictional universe's canon, yet still have some authority relating to that fictional universe.

3) Yeah, everything that happened in Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion was originally intended to be called simply "Lelouch of the Rebellion". The "Code Geass" part was added along the way... C.C. was originally going to be some kind of "angelic being", not a granter of Geass powers. Anyhow, the story is heavily focused on Lelouch and his rebellion, so much that any sequel, following those that survived (a scenario that omits Lelouch) would have to continue building something that was originally not there at all. I'm not saying that focusing this heavily on Lelouch was a mistake (it's the opposite if you ask me), it's just that doing anything even remotely related to the show, without having Lelouch as a protagonist obviously, would be suicide.

My favorite character is not Lelouch (if you don't know me you'd probably think so by now) but Kallen. Even though I think she and Lelouch were the only good characters in the show I would never want to see a continuation to R2, not even if it was written by the original authors. I just don't see how they could possibly implement Kallen's character without either ruining it or making the new feature uninteresting to watch.

[Xander]

There's nothing against bringing up examples, as far as I know, for the sake of making a point. And Gundam has a lot more in common with Code Geass than, say...Lord of the Rings.

For those who actually care about details, I'm referring to the likes of 0080 and 08th MS Team since both of them are Gundam series that take place in the same universe as the original show and its subsequent sequels. In fact, the currently in production Gundam Unicorn has nothing to do with Tomino either but it's received both popular and critical acclaim. There are also people who would argue these are all superior to most of Tomino's works.

In the specific case of Code Geass, my position is one of cautious optimism. I'd rather have an open mind, not asking for too much, and see what happens instead of expecting the worst. In my opinion, Lelouch was the protagonist of a story, not the protagonist of the universe. That said, I won't really get on Meatrose's case over this since there's no point in doing so. Just wanted to make a couple of observations for the sake of those who are less informed about these matters.

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by Xander

There's nothing against bringing up examples, as far as I know, for the sake of making a point. And Gundam has a lot more in common with Code Geass than, say...Lord of the Rings. .

Hoooo don't be so convinced about that
Tolkien was heavily inspired by the Arthurian Tale (Some stuff are obvious in LOTR and the guy even translated a book about a Knight of Round :'P) and we all know that Code Geass loves to play with said myth.

So...maybe LOTR and...LOTR are closer that one may think ;P

[D's Pear]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

So...maybe LOTR and...LOTR are closer that one may think ;P

'Lelouch of the Ring' - something has gone horribly wrong in the Shire.

I've thought about doing a fan art about this before. xD

[Feanor]

I personally am hoping that they don't try to tack on more story to the Lelouch of the Rebellion cast after R2 25. I am hoping that we will see more of the Knight of Rounds when they were on the European Front and see a little bit of the Black Rebellion and such from a Britannian point of view.

Yo, if we are saying LOTR is like LOTR and such, does that mean characters line up with each other? Cause if it does, that makes me like Lelouch's 250 times great uncle twice removed on his mothers side and his 310 times great uncle on his fathers' side through his grandfather's half sister's husband's grandmother's adopted brother.

[NettoSaito]

I still wonder what's going on with Lelouch of the HIGHSCHOOL Rebellion... I mean... what the heck o_O

[D's Pear]

Originally Posted by NettoSaito

I still wonder what's going on with Lelouch of the HIGHSCHOOL Rebellion... I mean... what the heck o_O

...I think someone's confused.

That sounds like some horrific mash-up of Code Geass and High School Musical. Or some other teeniebopper shit.

Edit: Found the source of the confusion, a rather laughable troll advert: http://a.imageshack.us/img267/7020/1281313785979.jpg

It's good for a lol, but a grim statement that anyone would actually fall for it.

[bladeofdarkness]

i wish it was true
many shows on that list i would have loved to watch
most especially BOTS 4

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by D's Pear

...I think someone's confused.

That sounds like some horrific mash-up of Code Geass and High School Musical. Or some other teeniebopper shit.

Edit: Found the source of the confusion, a rather laughable troll advert: http://a.imageshack.us/img267/7020/1281313785979.jpg

It's good for a lol, but a grim statement that anyone would actually fall for it.

Ehhhh... Sounds to much like High School Musical just from the info on that, and Lelouch helping the "football team" if he was a coach then no problem, but if he was helping on the field.. (imagines him getting run over alot of times)

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by D's Pear

...I think someone's confused.

That sounds like some horrific mash-up of Code Geass and High School Musical. Or some other teeniebopper shit.

Edit: Found the source of the confusion, a rather laughable troll advert: http://a.imageshack.us/img267/7020/1281313785979.jpg

It's good for a lol, but a grim statement that anyone would actually fall for it.

The Gundam Seed cracked me up
And the CG one sounds amazing, I'd pay to see that !

Ooooh the perfect anime list

[azul120]

Final Fantasy VI The Animation would be tempting... if only game adaptations didn't typically suck.

[TrueElements]

Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya 02.
August 13, 2010 — evilrav


[CXC] has it for any who didnt notice. yes its translated.

[Tetsu Aero]

I'm beginning to like Shikoku no Renya more and more

[Xion Valkyrie]

There looks like a lot of links to the present time. Is this a monthly manga?