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Perfect 10 | 21 | 14.89% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 14 | 9.93% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 11.35% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 20 | 14.18% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 5.67% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 2.13% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 2.13% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 1.42% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.71% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 53 | 37.59% | |
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2010-09-04, 14:18 | Link #941 | |
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Pick a half-yoma warrior, any half-yoma warrior, and it's pretty much guarantied they will have some sort of memory that would be vulnerable to the effects of Raftela's ability. Rubel said it very clearly. Raftela's ability works by messing with victim's head. She probably didn't even know what was Miria hallucinating. As far I understood the effects of this ability is kinda like if you gave a normal person hallucination inducing drug. No matter who the person is, he/she will be affected. |
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I didn't imply at all that this was her one and only power... I asked why others who could yoki sync not discover this power on there own. I don't know where you got that from. Flora developed the windcutter and Irene developed the quicksword... they weren't natural abilities both show that warriors experiment with the powers naturally one of these yoki sensing types should have discovered this ability and not been a #10. I'm not even saying in Clare's generation but Rubel stated only the #10s know of this power... so I ask how did they learn about it... That's all. Quote:
That in itself is my issue. We had no knowledge of her attempt to do this to Miria prior... only that she had now succeed. I see that a poor writing... more specifically it was either rushed for space purposes or Yagi was aiming for shock factor and not actually taking the reader through the natural sequence of events. Both are considered poor writing when introducing new plot elements. The best writings engage the reader which Yagi has done time and again and don't treat it like a soap only aiming at the shock factor. I felt like Yagi pulled a fast one on me. Quote:
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2010-09-04, 14:25 | Link #943 | ||
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Next off I was being facetious... Clearly he could... question is should he?
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2010-09-04, 14:30 | Link #944 |
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A strong emotional side =/= charging into battle trying to overpower everyone.
Seems you got that wrong. And it´s funny how people make fun of people who care about something they are interested in. You said it yourself. Aftermath. After losing a lot of comrades. And blaming herself. Yes. I´m not talking about that, dear Sir or Madam, I was talking about the fact that she just walks "in" there, thinking she´s ready to take them on alone. Seriously? Without a backup plan? With all that experience she has and the things she learned about them? Miria is a deep character and yes, she has a an emotional side, but this has nothing to do with a calm pre-battle plan. She allways had one. She even came up with one in the most desperate situation. And that´s her plan this time? Say Hi and then slay everyone? Next, what was that about not killing other Claymores? She´s up against the Org. What did she think she´d be fighting against? Stormtroopers? Hollows? Carebears? Of course she´d have to face other Claymores, she had to face some before allready. And now, during the most dire situation, she suddenly thinks what to do with them? Really? Maybe everyone is right, it´s good she died, don´t want to know what she might´ve turned into if this went on. From strong confident experienced intelligent but still caring and emotional Phantom Miria, to overconfident naive dumb oversentimental wreck? Great development and plot twist.
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2010-09-04, 14:34 | Link #945 | |
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2010-09-04, 14:36 | Link #946 |
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i was just as sad to see miria go. but she sorta overshadowed everyone in the group, except for clare. perhaps yagi-sensei is thinking of giving others the chance to shine like tabby, yuma and cynthia?
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2010-09-04, 14:42 | Link #947 | |
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Galatea or Theresa are probably able to even surpass #10 with proper training in that technique. The problem is that galatea and theresa are characters who respect and honour their comrades and never would have used their powers to mentally manipulate, rape or mindfuck them. With number 10 it is otherwise. She was trained from the beginning by the org and encouraged by them to use her yoki manipulation and synchronisation powers against their comrades as a weapon.
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2010-09-04, 14:49 | Link #948 | ||
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Rubel said #10 is "selected", so clearly there are some sort of tests run on the candidates, probably at an early enough age where those who don't have the aptitude forget all about it later, while #10 keeps working on it. (Posted before seeing irvinethearcher's post, who also makes good points.) |
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2010-09-04, 14:55 | Link #950 | |
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2010-09-04, 16:14 | Link #952 | |
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2010-09-04, 16:26 | Link #954 | ||
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The answer to why this doesn't happen is simple:learning by yourself those techniques is VERY difficult if you don't have someone that shows you the correct way. The same goes for the mental-linking technique.Something like that is almost impossible to learn if someone don't show you the way,and probably even if someone happens to show that kind of potential,the org immidiately gives her the n.10 position. @matsunaga_hisahide: (WHY I THINK THAT MIRIA WASN'T OUT OF CHARACTER) It seems that you didn't read my post since i explained a bit why imo Miria doesn't act out of character. But first i'd make a little precisation to what you say:it's NOT TRUE that Miria was ALWAYS able to make a plan even in desperate situations,infact the only two times that the situation was REALLY desperate she was saved by Claire and not by her amazing plan. Said that iom the people like you that think that it doesn't make sense the way Miria acted are committing a little but very important mistake: Miria was able to fool the org (well,not so much since they sent her to Pieta....),stay calm and study the situation for a long time,but at that time she was still acting mainly by yourself and for herself,so she was able to control her emotional side. Now (after Pieta) the situation is COMPLETELY different,she cares a lot for her friend (specially Claire,Helen and Deneve) and her emotional side lead her to act with her heart instead of remaining calm and collected. Important to notice that the emotional side was always there,it's just that before it was under control 'cause she was alone,while now the love for her friend is her greatest weakness. Her friends are too important for her and even if she knew perfectly well that attacking the org was not a good idea (someone smart as her has to know something like that),that also was her only hope to end everything by herself without putting her friends in danger. So basically what i'm saying is that in those years the love for her friends became so important to convince her to try a desperate attack by herself. Thinking now,maybe she was already considering something like this from the moment the ghost splitted,and when she saw that A&B where busy with Riful she must have thought something like "now or never" (especially 'cause if she had waited Claire's return it would be impossible to "escape" from the other ghosts). Quote:
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2010-09-04, 16:31 | Link #955 |
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I don't think Miria is dead but if she is, this only means the Ghost are going to get an upgrade. Clare has gotten lots of power-ups, but the rest of the Ghost are still weak. Dead or not, Miria going missing will force them to take drastic measures.
Yagi would never kill off a main character just for shock effect. He is way too good for that. Look how long it took for Irene to show up after we all thought she was dead. When she did, Clare got a major power up. He planed it way in advance. I still have confidence in him.
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2010-09-04, 16:33 | Link #956 |
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I knew about that plan, but still thanks for remembering me...seeing as there are one months breaks between each chapter, I nearly forgot it was only one chapter before this maniac-chapter that Miria went down the hill.
Once month is simply too long... But this aside, that´s one thought out plan, right? Sounds like a plan Miria would or by that any sane person would go for. Though it seems like the Miria-bereaved and those who simply don´t care, fans of still living characters or allready dead characters, etc. will never find a way to agree on this matter. I, for one, will drop it now and as some senior member said, ask myself what will happen next. Seeing as Miria is most likely dead and Claire is still "dead"...wonder what viewpoint we´ll have next? Or better said, which person will be killed off next? Hopefully one of the men in black, this time.
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2010-09-04, 16:53 | Link #957 | |
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A month usually gives us all the time we need to analyze, debate, predict and enjoy ourselves before the next chapter comes out, as well as gives Yagi the time to perfectly decide what it is he wants to do, as well as refine his artwork. I just don't get people who complain about the time-span and prefer weekly-chapters, when all that does is cut down on everything; if you get bored easily, just focus on something else in the meantime .
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2010-09-04, 17:10 | Link #958 |
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Anyway imo Miria's biggest mistake in her decision to attack the org wasn't going alone (of course this too was VERY BIG) imo,but it was the fact that she wasn't sure if she was ready to kill.
If she was really ready to kill she could have killed the twins easily cutting their heads and maybe without using yoki she would have won,but attacking the org alone AND without being ready to kill.......that was asking really too much even for her ability. Anyway i edited my previos post. |
2010-09-04, 17:25 | Link #959 |
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Wouldn't it have been possible for Miria to sneak into the Org and kill the MIB stealthily? She was still under the yoki radar. Seems rather dumb to show up at the front door and go hai guys, what's going on in here nao? Oh btw, I'm here to kill you.
Stealth was the only thing she had going and she didn't even make use of it. And if she was found out, why couldn't she just run away and circle back later? She did outrun an AO after all. It just doesn't compute. |
2010-09-04, 17:28 | Link #960 |
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At any rate, it's been awhile, so I'll add my take and repost this post of mine:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=451 The reason being because, again, I don't think people are taking all this in the right direction; everyone's listing various reasons how and why Miria made mistakes, but we have to remember Miria's intellect (which no doubt already took many of what we are saying probably into consideration), but more importantly, the fact that what she was doing wasn't motivated by strategy or logic, but by sheer force of will. Miria did what she did because she wanted too, plain and simple, and we need to think about that; Galatea already implied that Miria herself was aware that what she was doing was probably suicidal, but she wanted to go anyway because she was so strong for what she believed. In these past two chapters, we examined how, logically, their is a mountain of reasons why this whole situation was stupid and not worth it....but again, what are the odds that Miria herself was aware of all this and decided to try it anyway? Miria is not stupid; regardless of what happened in these past two chapters, we can't assume she suddenly lost her marbles or whatever; it's just that, what she did, was motivated by logic or strategy; on the surface, perhaps it is(Alicia and Beth being away for example), but their isn't much, and that makes sense: because she didn't go to Staff for those kinds of reasons. She went, purely on emotional reasons, because she felt so strongly that what she was doing was the right decision for the sake of her team. She's like Claire and Deneve in these regards; acting out almost purely out of instinct and emotion, and, despite having a frosty exterior(and my own admittingly disliking opinions about her, because I wished she would have opened up more), she does have a heart and she does care for her team; she, obviously, wouldn't have sliced up her most loyal follower if she didn't have a good reason, and while we can argue about said-reason and say it doesn't make sense, it's stupid yadda yadda yadda....we have to remember that, said actions, and everything she did and done, was not motivated by logic and reasoning, it was done purely by emotion, force of will, and the belief that she was doing the best and right thing for the Ghosts. In that regard....Miria's death, is actually kind of beautiful; the way to Staff from Rabona is a looong distance, and along the way, Miria was probably mentally preparing herself for her likely death; she didn't want to die, obviously and no doubt, but the probability was very high and it's not like she knew everything that was waiting for her (and neither did we), but getting back to the point, as tragic as her death was....it was almost like a sacrifice she made for her teammates. We can argue that it was a needless and pointless sacrifice, but as I say, this whole scenario wasn't one motivated by logic and/or reasoning and shouldn't therefore be judged that way....she died, but she died, probably feeling the happiest she ever felt in her entire life; she sure smiled that way . At the very least, her sacrifice, will push the remaining Ghosts to fight even harder against the Organization; no doubt, without holding anything back.
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