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View Poll Results: Ore no Imouto - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 54 | 41.86% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 35 | 27.13% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 20 | 15.50% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 11 | 8.53% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 3.88% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.78% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 1.55% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.78% | |
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2010-11-29, 17:13 | Link #101 |
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I acknowledge the show making fun of Kirino getting angry at the archetype eroge character that she herself fufills as a role in this show, but I don't see how it's funny. I mean to be honest it was more or less 20 minutes of a setup to SET UP actual development between the two of them, but we've been waiting for development from episode one.
We all know where the destination, and the journey itself is what makes it worthwhile, but it isn't worth much of anything if you're still at the start while everyone else is walking ahead of you.
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2010-11-29, 17:26 | Link #102 |
NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~
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1. The girl in the backcover of the mag Kirino is reading looks like Azunyan. 2. Kirino is wearing cat ears. Isn't cute that practically ALL of Ayanyan's characters have a catgirl side to them? 3. Kuroneko's imouto is a loli. Kuroneko is a lolita. So what is their mum?
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2010-11-29, 17:28 | Link #106 | |
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People who don't like the way Kirino is portrayed are going to continue to claim it's an objective flaw in the show's storytelling, and people who enjoy it as is are going to continue to not care what those other people think. This whole on-going debate has been pretty pointless; it's just an opportunity for people to keep expressing over and over again why they think their personal opinions are justified and right. Well, I know: Welcome to the Internet... Not claiming I'm an exception. But at this point I think the arguments are almost writing themselves -- heck, the show itself is fueling the fire. In a sense, we're all being played. I'm going to go back to just enjoying the show. I had realized that the lines were similar, but you're right -- they're actually exactly the same. Clearly Kyousuke chose made the right choice. At least she didn't tell him that he's useless and should just die for not getting mad at her...
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2010-11-29, 17:30 | Link #107 | ||||||
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But she is completely static as a character right now. Even this wouldn't be so much of an issue except all the other major characters are getting meaningful character development, making Kirino's static nature stand out like a sore thumb. At least it does to me. Quote:
In any event, I agree with you. I now watch Ore no Imouto for everybody except the titular Imouto. Quote:
Because I'm starting to get the impression that a big part of this anime is about experimenting with an all-tsun "tsundere" female lead. I'll admit that the concept is daring, and novel. However, that doesn't necessarily mean it's fun to watch in execution. Quote:
Doing a joke that essentially is "Ha ha ha!!! Isn't it hilarious how tsun to the extreme our female lead is! And behold her getting a taste of poetic justice through her very own favorite past time! Ha ha ha!" kind of counteracts any desire to care about that character. Like, if and when Kirino gets into trouble with her dad or Ayase or somebody else again, why should I care about her? The anime itself is going to great lengths to point out how nasty her behavior is. That kind of undermines any future drama that could depend on the viewer caring about Kirino. Quote:
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2010-11-29, 17:43 | Link #111 | ||
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2010-11-29, 17:48 | Link #112 | |
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I just genuinely don't like her. I'd be more comfortable labeling her as being one dimensional, but that's not entirely true (not enough to be used as such anyway). I enjoy anime mostly for its characters, then for its stories, and everything else that follows. When I can't relate, enjoy, or actually like a character, I find myself not interested to care for them. At that point I find myself usually stopping cold and cutting it off. Sure, I've been annoyed by characters before but that's usually due to a certain character trait. I honestly, really don't like Kirino at all. I don't know what that means exactly, but I don't like not knowing either. This show hasn't done much of anything to resolve that either. I can sit here and point out her faults too, and how they came to be and why she's acting the way she is, but she's STILL acting that way, the faults aren't being worked on, and to be honest nothing's really changed. I mean she blushed at the end of this episode. That's it. Sure there's meaning to it, but come on.
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2010-11-29, 17:52 | Link #113 | |
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Good points. I see what you meant here, now.
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2010-11-29, 18:08 | Link #114 |
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That's false. In episode 1 she was ignoring him, acting like he didn't exist. Now she's hitting him over perceived failings and arguing with him through a wall about how loudly she's enjoying her hobbies. That's completely different. I see their arguing as a sign that they're much more comfortable around each other than they used to be. Kirino's still pretty annoying for not appreciating him at all, but she's definitely developed their relationship over the series. Just not in a linear "tsundere" path.
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I can understand why she might alienate the audience but there are those who like her for those very same reasons. Besides, she's not completely irrational. During some of the more dramatic moments, she seems to be slightly more reasonable. I believe the real faults in this series lies more in the transition between comedy and drama rather than Kirino's development. This episode even asks the same questions that the audience does, teasing us even more. There's a method to their madness. Because the payoff comes later. The relationship between Kyousuke and Kirino has been improving little by little (slapstick humor aside.) And having been shown nearly 100% tsun for so long will reward those who have been waiting for it. I personally like this take on it since showing her dere side is predictable for the most part. Every time we expect it, we end up disappointed. But at the end of it all, those that still like Kirino will be ecstatic
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2010-11-29, 18:13 | Link #116 | |
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2010-11-29, 18:13 | Link #117 |
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Probably should made myself clear, I'm talking about to the viewer, not toward Kyosuke.
I don't have problem with Kirino been 99% tsun and 1% dere, since that's what this whole series is about. Kyosuke thinks Kirino hates him, yet he still protects her because that's what a brother does, and that what you were taught in traditional Asian families values. My problem with past couple episodes were more of that they took out the dere part of Kirino even when the situation doesn't involves Kyosuke directly, and fail to show how likable she could be. Besides, her actions in this episode isn't completely out of context and illogical, compare to past 2 episodes.
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2010-11-29, 18:21 | Link #118 |
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i felt like this episode was stereotyping the hardcore japanese otakus who play eroge on their free time. other than that, this episode was amusing to say the least and /facepalm for kirino not realizing she was staring at herself in the monitor when playing the eroge.
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2010-11-29, 18:24 | Link #119 | |
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Because I also would expect to see some change in Kirno at this stage especially since series are almost over. And argument behind the wall is more Kyousuke's development since before he didn't really bother with he either. But now he started to complain.
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2010-11-29, 18:26 | Link #120 |
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It's also her development in that she feels comfortable enough to be loud. Throughout the episode we could also see her putting up posters, having a mousepad, etc. Early in the series she was extremely paranoid about people discovering her hobby (her mother cleans her room, remember) and now she's pretty relaxed about it.
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