Claymore Chapter 110

[rafael1932]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Agreed ...Then throw in some cleaver wording in the reports by Rubel and it only compounds the MiB basis assumption about Teresa and Priscilla's power. Have no worries, Dae will solve this even if he isn't intentionally looking to figure out who the traitor is, he will figure out the arms owner and thereby figure out the twos true powers and who the one who manipulated the reports is.

I would say that rubel is going plant himself as stupid or it was too dangerous so i went there after that. I don’t real saw the battle. These simple excuses are more than enough to get he ass out of trouble. I sense that he does not lie to the org, just say half things. Dae may be an important researcher but I don’t think that he has spie training and so will think that was a stupid mistake made by stupid people because it seems that he acts like he was someone greater
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If these numbers 1 were killed by the org isn’t that enough to make them kill the org to revenge themselves? So if they are brought to life they will be as zombies without personality or maybe this dae is someone that will recreate another “Clare”- someone that call himself a scientist will always double check the experiences. If it is something completely new than I can't figure out…

[Jean Claymore]

....Something's not clear here. have the MiBs mistaken because the they didn't know 'bout Teresa's real power??? If I remember correctly, the one who was giving orders to Teresa was actually a mantle-worn guy who resembled Ermita, not Rubel. And he surely knew about her real power even mentioning some times that maybe she was the strongest warrior the org's ever had (and I don't remember if the guy who gave the Black Card to Teresa was Rubel...). If not, does that mean the other guy mentioned before was a traitor/spy as Rubel?

And speaking of the org gathering info, I still don't understand on how could they have exactly known Alicia and Beth were killed by someone if they had no clue who was it. It doesn't make sense... it was the same with Teresa. They got reported she was dead, but not as much detailed that Teresa was capable on defeating the numbers 2~5 without changing her eyes and then she was killed off by no.2 because she let her guards down. This sounds strange to me...

[Ouvea]

Orsay was the MIB that issued Teresa's assignments. I forget if we see him in later chapters, but we do see Ermita again as he issues Galatea's assignments. The Organization's lack of information on Prisicilla and on Alicia/Beth's deaths are perfectly plausible. Rubel appears to the be only MIB that witnessed Teresa's death and he could have misreported the actual events. There's no way any of the MIBs could have ascertain the specific details of the battle (Teresa only using 10% youki) as none were close enough. Also, no one witnessed Alicia's and Beth's death. From what Yagi depicted, it was carnage and devastation on a massive scale.

Riful first reported that Isley had defeated Priscilla, which she later recanted as misinformation. Perhaps, the Organization thought likewise and payed her no further attention. After all, if Isley defeated Priscilla, then they would only need to mind the strongest opponent. It should be intereting if the Organization discovers of Rubel's treachery.

[haegar]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Agreed ...Then throw in some cleaver wording in the reports by Rubel and it only compounds the MiB basis assumption about Teresa and Priscilla's power. Have no worries, Dae will solve this even if he isn't intentionally looking to figure out who the traitor is, he will figure out the arms owner and thereby figure out the twos true powers and who the one who manipulated the reports is.

lol. yeah. and then he will remember that one of his sexdolls is missing a head and he's gonna go wonder where the hell he put it. and once he realizes, he's gonna have a talk with the rest and all the world is gonna go on a search for clare. but they won't find her cause she turned into a giant blob. which is all in part cause mr.smartass said hey, why don't you go look how renee is doin? Now I get it, yagi made that happen so that she has a good cover once the MIBs start looking for her for real And as usual Rubel is well of the hook. Ok, slight chance they find out about him, but so what, he succeeded in the org overlooking their two best testsubject's true powers, and by the time they find out they fused into a giant angel that's gonna taKE OVER THE ISLAND MUAHAHAHA.


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I need coffee. and spoilers. Forgive me but I am in a weird mood without those two ....

[mosmos]

Spoiler for <spoiler 111 from FF site>:

Mib use Miria's blood to create Organization's new weapon.
Raki being the test subject.

Anastasia finished off all the awakened males by herself. rest of her team died.
Decides to investigate the origin of the awakened males.
She is being followed by one of the 7 ghost, (Tabita)

Rest of the ghosts encountered a old claymore deserter (Cecelia) on the way to organization.
Cecelia has infor on MIB.

Clare chats with Priscilla. Priscilla mentions Raki and Clare gets emotional/ awakened.
Galatea and Miata detects the releasing of Yoki from the clump of flesh.

[MalakTawus]

Originally Posted by mosmos

Spoiler for <spoiler 111 from FF site>:

Mib use Miria's blood to create Organization's new weapon.
Raki being the test subject.

Anastasia finished off all the awakened males by herself. rest of her team died.
Decides to investigate the origin of the awakened males.
She is being followed by one of the 7 ghost, (Tabita)

Rest of the ghosts encountered a old claymore deserter (Cecelia) on the way to organization.
Cecelia has infor on MIB.

Clare chats with Priscilla. Priscilla mentions Raki and Clare gets emotional/ awakened.
Galatea and Miata detects the releasing of Yoki from the clump of flesh.

I REALLY hope that that spoiler is true!!!!

[haegar]

Spoiler for ch 111:

thx for update sounds fake to me though, and in more than one way:

Dae wanted to use Prissy's arm, and according to his deductions there is good reason to do so. So why suddenly use Miria, and wtf? her blood? so far they always used flesh didn't they? HMMMM.

Anastasia soloing a whole bunch of ABs? Lemme see, she gonna fly up and drop a big stone on them or what? HMMMMM²

There just happen to be random claymore deserters running around? MHHHM, SURE³

and why the hell would the other ghosts leave Tabitha, they need her sensory skills? if anybody were to go alone it would most likely be Dietrich, presumably having strongest loaylty to her own generation..

I call BS

[MalakTawus]

Spoiler for about ch.111 spoiler:

First of all haegar,you have to use the spoiler tag since this is ch.110 thread......

Well,Tabitha is the only one that is still cloacked,so it makes perfect sense for her to be the one spying.

Using Miria's blood could just be a wrong translation (and btw they used flash and blood if t don't remember wrong,not only flash),and who knows,maybe this is a different experient that has nothing to do with Prissy's arm,afterall it'snot so strange if something happens to Raki during his "visit" to the org hq.

And it's never said that Anastasia killed everyone ALONE,she's just the only survivor.

....but the random claymore deserter is very strange........
Personally i think it's fake,but i hope it's the real one since i want to see that last part about Claire-Prissy,lol.

[haegar]

Spoiler for ch 111:

I remember flesh and blood too, but only using blood would be something entirely new. that could be the case of course, but yagi just started introducing new stuff again via whatever Dae is preparing, so it would strike me as odd that there was yet ANOTHER new line of experimentation, I mean look what the latest chaps got us, #mindfuck, #fly, the weird new male ABs, now it's hinted Dae can make zombiefied #1s .... and THEN YET ANOTHER new experiment ? Not only would it be irritating in terms of yagi opening endless new sideplots related to org experiments, it would also be weird in terms of considering that org is spread thin - they need resources for all this, and it is a save bet Dae is busy with something else and that he is not interested in Raki at all ...

as for Tabitha, ya true she is cloaked which gives her an edge, but still would be a weird strategy to split up considering the just lost Miria due to unnecesarry solitary actions - I expect this group to stick together, cept maybe for Dee who might go help #fly if the others don't want to ...

as for #fly, it BOTH sez that she is sole survivor and "finished off all AB by herself" and I consider that unlikely on both counts - she did give the air of carying for her team ... she'd have done anything she can to save as many as she could, maybe even retreat or sth ...

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by mosmos

Spoiler for <spoiler 111 from FF site>:

Mib use Miria's blood to create Organization's new weapon.
Raki being the test subject.

Anastasia finished off all the awakened males by herself. rest of her team died.
Decides to investigate the origin of the awakened males.
She is being followed by one of the 7 ghost, (Tabita)

Rest of the ghosts encountered a old claymore deserter (Cecelia) on the way to organization.
Cecelia has infor on MIB.

Clare chats with Priscilla. Priscilla mentions Raki and Clare gets emotional/ awakened.
Galatea and Miata detects the releasing of Yoki from the clump of flesh.

Spoiler for Chapter 111 talk:

Feels fake to me... but still not out of reason.

First off, this would imply the reason why Miria's attack was being kept secret from Rubel was that other org members had "plans" for what do to with the next traitor. Spoiler doesn't seem clear if Miria is alive or dead in the first part but in the last part says she's alive (maybe with the last part the new creation sensing Clare/Priscilla and not Miria and the person making the spoiler messed up whom was sening it or (hopefully) Miria is indeed alive but a prisoner). Raki being the test subject I find questionable since he was last in Dae's possession and Miria in the other MiBs possession... though it's possible Dae didn't want Raki after finding the arm and the other MiB took the toy he didn't want to play with.

Hmm... Anastasia going off mission to track down who killed her friends seems kinda odd for a new cast member but not out of question. Still maybe it's one the way and she doesn't view the goals of returning asap and finding the source of the attack conflicting. Also it sounds just like Yagi to not show the fight. Anyways Tabitha stalking down Anastasia seems questionable since it means leaving the ghosts without a warrior whom can sense others before they in turn are spotted, that is unless Cynthia's range is also great but the fact that they where relying on Tabitha implies other wise. Also it's possible Helen's mention of pills last ch was just so Yagi could explain away that they did have some pills on hand and the other ghosts are on the meds. Though that seems to conflict with the rest of the spoiler where another deserter tracks down the ghosts.

As to the Deserter I actually like it... simply put my mention of male trainees being introduced a few pages back was based on the idea that I had ages ago of warriors wanting to take out the org who survived in the wilds near org HQ after suppressing there yoki (so without blinding themselves like Galatea did to hide in society)... it would make them harder to track down and the location implies they (she/he) have just been waiting for a chance to strike at the org knowing that at there current power they'd die for nothing if they attacked (if male then that they'd awaken due to having to release yoki in order to take on all of org hq). AS much as I like the idea it does seem counter productive to introduce another new warrior with so many plots waiting in the wings... however once again this does seem to be Yagi's writing style of late.

As to the last part... Talking! Maybe with her fist. This seems a stretch to me unless Clare almost so completely lost her mind Priscilla decided to talk to her in order prevent her from awakening and/or manipulate her into losing focus on imprisoning her and what better way than by bringing up Raki whom she suspected was her kin. This does seem to be a Yagi like cliffhanger ending... and holy crap it'd be a 4 part ch (very Yagi like of late)... I wouldn't rule out this spoiler yet but I'm feel calling it true is premature too.

Either way it's time for a ch 111 thread, now that we got a spoiler that isn't a giant duh!

[haegar]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Spoiler for Chapter 111 talk:

Feels fake to me... but still not out of reason.

As to the Deserter I actually like it... simply put my mention of male trainees being introduced a few pages back was based on the idea that I had ages ago of warriors wanting to take out the org who survived in the wilds near org HQ (so without blinding themselves like Galatea did to hide in society)... it would make them harder to track down and the location implies they (she/he) have just been waiting for a chance to strike at the org knowing that at there current power they'd die for nothing if they attacked (if male then that they'd awaken due to having to release yoki in order to take on all of org hq). AS much as I like the idea it does seem counter productive to introduce another new warrior with so many plots waiting in the wings... however once again this does seem to be Yagi's writing style of late.

Spoiler for ch 111 spoilers:

I dunno, I have always been wondering why the hell didn't more claymores desert considering the way the org operates. So in terms of that, yeah, maybe that is possible. However I would rather think that any sane deserter gets as far away from headquarters as possible due to a well-founded sense of paranoia.

The reason I find this bit of the spoiler unlikely to be true is power balance logic though - it just would be too damn cheap, all the time there was not the slightest indication of other deserters other than Galatea and the ghosts, and now, INCIDENTALY, the very moment where the org seems to be gaining the advantage again, here they merely come out of nowhere to even the odds or provide intel - feels to simple for Yagi to me (even though granted, #mindfucks mere existence would support the notion of other deserters being, and having been around)

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by haegar

Spoiler for ch 111 spoilers:

I dunno, I have always been wondering why the hell didn't more claymores desert considering the way the org operates. So in terms of that, yeah, maybe that is possible. However I would rather think that any sane deserter gets as far away from headquarters as possible due to a well-founded sense of paranoia.

The reason I find this bit of the spoiler unlikely to be true is power balance logic though - it just would be too damn cheap, all the time there was not the slightest indication of other deserters other than Galatea and the ghosts, and now, INCIDENTALY, the very moment where the org seems to be gaining the advantage again, here they merely come out of nowhere to even the odds or provide intel - feels to simple for Yagi to me (even though granted, #mindfucks mere existence would support the notion of other deserters being, and having been around)

Spoiler for CH 111:

I agree now of all times seems lame but at the same time... Tabitha couldn't sense someone with a cloaked yoki and if this warrior was a long ranging sensing type they might be drawn check out that many large warrior auras approaching org hq after a large fight took place there. Then the black uniforms give away that they're not loyal members of the org but another group of deserters... in short org hq is the right place to find another dissenting warrior and she/he found them not the other way around. Miria existed as a rebellious warrior whom wanted revenge so therefore it's probable that at least one other smart warrior wanted revenge but was to smart than to directly attack the org by herself... scratch that... Miria eventually did just that though from her point of view she could have taken every warrior except Alicia and Beth and they weren't there anymore.

Not only that we have no idea when the warrior first started to track them down she could have been out west following them after witnessing events out there but was either cautious in approaching them or needed to see the attack on Rabona her/his self to gain the courage to come out of hiding and only now made up there mind to join them in there attack after sensing them heading due east to confront the org after the attack.

[Cephei Mordred]

Not a spoiler, just unfounded speculation:

What are the chances that yet another established fact will someday be turned on its head, namely that male claymores = bad? We might see something like "oh, well all along the org could secretly make male claymores that were somewhat more stable than the first generation" or some bullshit like that.

[haegar]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Spoiler for CH 111:

I agree now of all times seems lame but at the same time... Tabitha couldn't sense someone with a cloaked yoki and if this warrior was a long ranging sensing type they might be drawn check out that many large warrior auras approaching org hq after a large fight took place there. Then the black uniforms give away that they're not loyal members of the org but another group of deserters... in short org hq is the right place to find another dissenting warrior and she/he found them not the other way around. Miria existed as a rebellious warrior whom wanted revenge so therefore it's probable that at least one other smart warrior wanted revenge but was to smart than to directly attack the org by herself... scratch that... Miria eventually did just that though from her point of view she could have taken every warrior except Alicia and Beth and they weren't there anymore.

Not only that we have no idea when the warrior first started to track them down she could have been out west following them after witnessing events out there but was either cautious in approaching them or needed to see the attack on Rabona her/his self to gain the courage to come out of hiding and only now made up there mind to join them in there attack after sensing them heading due east to confront the org after the attack.

Spoiler for ch 111 chitchat:

Ok, niiiice logic In that case: I would agree that your version is plausible -IF it turns out it happens to be that singular sensory type, and the variation most likely would be she was shadowing the ghosts on their way to HQ, until she was 100% sure they are not affiliated with MIbs anymore -which would leave us though, with the awkwardness of yet another sensor on the ghosts side being introduced ...which is ...unnecessary?! so she most likely would be either fodder, or inteldump - which brings us back to: CHEAP !!!

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Cephei Mordred

Not a spoiler, just unfounded speculation:

What are the chances that yet another established fact will someday be turned on its head, namely that male claymores = bad? We might see something like "oh, well all along the org could secretly make male claymores that were somewhat more stable than the first generation" or some bullshit like that.

Well, if the org uncovers the secrets of partial awakenings it would be quite possible since even Rubel thought it could lead to the creation for controllable ABs (hence him trying to get the partially awakened killed every chance he can)... other than that I'd be suspect of the reasoning. Now maybe if a bunch of male warriors showed up from the mainland with suppressed auras themselves it'd be another issue but them being strong enough to compete in the current plot wouldn't make much sense with only suppressed auras.

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by haegar

Spoiler for ch 111 chitchat:

Ok, niiiice logic In that case: I would agree that your version is plausible -IF it turns out it happens to be that singular sensory type, and the variation most likely would be she was shadowing the ghosts on their way to HQ, until she was 100% sure they are not affiliated with MIbs anymore -which would leave us though, with the awkwardness of yet another sensor on the ghosts side being introduced ...which is ...unnecessary?! so she most likely would be either fodder, or inteldump - which brings us back to: CHEAP !!!

Spoiler for Ch 111:

No... Tabitha needs a replacement. After all her and the girl with the hard to draw hair (Anastasia) are walking to there deaths right now.

That said Tabitha will free Miria before dying

[haegar]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Spoiler for Ch 111:

No... Tabitha needs a replacement. After all her and the girl with the hard to draw hair (Anastasia) are walking to there deaths right now.

That said Tabitha will free Miria before dying

Spoiler for ch 111 chitchat:

tch, and you had to go and doublepost for that? shame on you taby was pissed with miria sacrificing herself solo style, so she wouldn't go and pull the same shitty stunt

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by haegar

Spoiler for ch 111 chitchat:

tch, and you had to go and doublepost for that? shame on you taby was pissed with miria sacrificing herself solo style, so she wouldn't go and pull the same shitty stunt

Spoiler for ch 111 citchat:

...but Taby isn't going to her death ALONE she's with Anastasia ... and second she's not sacrificing herself for vengeance but love... so it's different. In Tabitha's case she dies either way , In Miria's case she was already dead either way.

I don't hate Taby... I just view her as useless plot wise and see it as Yagi's reasoning for killing her in the future. She's survived for over 60 chapters now and Noel was a more developed character than her.... Time to cut the fat Yagi.

[haegar]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Spoiler for ch 111 citchat:

...but Taby isn't going to her death ALONE she's with Anastasia ... and second she's not sacrificing herself for vengeance but love...

you know ...

sry mate, wrong manga

[Ryus]

^You know...

Spoiler for ch 11 chitchat:

it's not a good joke when you have me help you recall her Sherry's name before you reply via an IRC.

She was also attempting to kill for love... not intentionally sacrificing herself for it. Next off, even Sherry (from Fairy Tail for those whom don't know who she is) is a more develop character than Tabitha... if you can believe that from the pic.