2011-01-08, 19:58 | Link #2701 |
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Lol. I actually have an argument for this:
So, ep 2 it is: First point: Shannon is dead in ep 2. Battler can see right through her head. Going by your "George is the culprit" theory, George would have been the one to kill her. But going by ep 8th's Purple statement: Spoiler for ep 8:
well, you see the problem here... And, no, your motives make no sense to me whatsoever, because they are all based on the fact that George loves Shannon. Now, why would George, who has just proposed to Shannon, and said girl had just accepted his engagement, go on a killing spree? He clearly stated in ep 6 that he is not afraid to confront Eva about their relationship, so the whole "the family won't accept us" motive fails right there. As for Battler, it is stated in ep 7 (this very ep) that the tragedy would still happen regardless of whether Battler came to the island, or if Shannon existed at all on the island. Please try explaining that if you will.
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2011-01-08, 20:03 | Link #2702 |
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This line has no impact for Beato's games, it holds only truth with Bern's little game in Ep8.
For all we know, it is possible for Piece George to kill Piece Shannon. and for the love of the golden witch: do NOT mention spoilers from future episodes.
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Sorry about the spoiler, I'll try to limit my arguments to the first 7 ep.
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2011-01-08, 20:37 | Link #2704 | |
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Anyway, it's irrelevant. The culprit of the games doesn't mean anything whatsoever about the true culprit of Rokkenjima Prime, technically speaking.
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2011-01-08, 20:39 | Link #2705 |
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Well how about this...George finds out Shannon's true identity and that she has killed Jessica and Gohda, and possibly even killed the first twilight victims. Maybe even catches her redhanded. George goes apeshit, seizes her gun and shoots her in the head. Realising what he has done, he has no choice but to continue the ritual murders to maintain his alibi. (meaning he just stakes himself and Shannon) The bomb goes off, or maybe the servants set it off according to Beatrice's will or something.
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2011-01-09, 09:35 | Link #2709 | |
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And, no, AuraTwilight, it's not irrelevant! because, even in the first 4 games, you can depict Rudolf and Kyrie as the killers if you look for clues hard enough. And I'll agree with you on that Kirroha, Will's explanations don't make much sense for some of the twilights.
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2011-01-09, 15:44 | Link #2710 | |
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2011-01-09, 15:44 | Link #2711 | |
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AuraTwilight, I think that is fun to theorize about the culprit of the games. If it is there, then is meant to be discovered...No? And it can give some clues about the true culprit of Rokkenjima Prime. But now that I'm writing this, is it possible to have different murderers for each game? (Looking back to Higurashi). I think it was never stated that every game had the same culprit.
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2011-01-09, 17:46 | Link #2713 |
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Oh! I thought that you were talking about the "culprit needing accomplices".
Than we have 4 games, and each can possibly have 4 different mastermind murderers... Like that it really doesn't matter, because the 4 games can be seen as a game of its own, so trying to connect them unless we have the certainty that we can connect it to Rokkenjima Prime is pointless in discovering the truth of what happened originally. That's is kinda depressing.
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2011-01-09, 18:40 | Link #2715 |
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The fact that different games had different cuplrits/accomplices was in itself a clue. It points to that the mastermind is in possession of the gold, and can buy people off to do as s/he likes.
In episode 2 it's especially apparent that Rosa must be an accomplice. In episodes 1 and 2, some people (Hideyoshi in the shed?) are helping fake the deaths of others. In episode 3 you can see Yasu give out the pin code for the bank account, probably Eva's reward. Also the people calling Battler are telling lie after another. None of Kinzo's children can be the cuplrit in every game, because they sometimes die or have solid alibis. So none of them is the mastermind, either. However all of them can be converted into Beatrice's pieces with the magic of gold. The servants can be converted even more easily, because they serve Beatrice. The grandchildren aren't so easily bought, but they might have a personal stake in some killings as well.
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2011-01-09, 18:44 | Link #2716 | |
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What a mess.
I thought that you were "saying" that. When I said "But now that I'm writing this, is it possible to have different murderers for each game? (Looking back to Higurashi). I think it was never stated that every game had the same culprit" I meant what I explained in my last post. But either way you're right, of course that a culprit (mastermind) couldn't perform all the murders without accomplices, so "alibis" are easy to make. Quote:
If there really is a different mastermind for each game, then it's just a pain, because we could interpret like: Anyone can write a tale about what happened in Rokkenjima, even without knowing the truth of what happened in Rokkenjima Prime, by simply knowing "the heart" like Hachijo said. And that "heart" could mean anything - it's not necessarily to "know the real culprit of Rokkenjima Prime" if the heart is, for example, knowing that Beatrice is not the real murderer and is covering for the real one with magic - and you can spin a tale with where the real mastermind is anyone in the family (finding motives is not hard). Its exciting in one part, to think that there's a possibility that each game has a mistery of its own but on the other hand we can end up never knowing what really happened in the original Rokkenjima because there is not a real clue in the games (well, I haven't read the 8th episode, so we will have an answer to this).
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2011-01-09, 19:24 | Link #2718 | |
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At one point in EP2, it was stated that Beatrice's magic meant taking risks, and taking risks is part of no plan. So s/he may have intended the murders to occur, but started the game to take the gamble of whether or not the culprits who actually carried out the murder would kill anyone. Or something.
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2011-01-09, 21:27 | Link #2719 |
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That's very likely. Yasu only has to stage the first twilight and show a number of people the gold or let them find it themselves. Then shit will go on.
The first twilight was always laughed off by Will as "illusions to illusions" meaning nobody really dies in it. In ep2 you see the adults gathered in the chapel, accepting the deal to take part in the ceremony. Why would they do that? For money. So obviously, they are not really dead. The same can be assumed for the shed in episode 1, and the episode 3 first twilight is staged by the servants, so nobody even has to be bought. Episode 4 first twilight is a magic fest, and the people who supposedly fell into pitfalls call Battler and tell him lies. So they likely have the same kind of agreement as in the ep2 chapel. The problems come after the first twilight in a situation where no one's still found the gold. There isn't reason enough for them to start killing each other, especially with ritualistic closed room murders. Also, the bomb always goes off even when nobody finds it. That's why I think Yasu does actually kill people in some cases. Otherwise things would not continue on. Besides, s/he has confessed to being guilty of mass murder, and even Willard accepted that confession. You can evade naming a simple cuplrit and mastermind by saying things go different in each fragment, and that other characters can commit murder too, and Yasu isn't to blame for what s/he's become, but in the end if s/he was stopped, there would be no incident.
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