2011-05-14, 15:38 | Link #101 |
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Nah, this is just character creation through discussion. Most of the times it's just pointing out small flaws in a profile so people can fix them, it generally helps improve the character overall. Sometimes people can get a bit defensive though, and it quickly turns into a battle of semantics.
Still, most of this is just Saintess talking about something completely different than Goose, which leads to disagreements over misunderstandings. Saintess keeps talking about things from a military perspective, while Goose does so (or tries to) from a police perspective. Speaking of which, I do agree with Goose here. Many of the military comparisons we make is inevitably flawed because the butei is not a military. They're law enforcement. Police. Talking about how bayonets are better for killing your enemy and that the army uses them is pretty much futile when the characters we are making are police officers forbidden by law to kill. |
2011-05-14, 15:40 | Link #102 |
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Except that, in this world, Butei frequently use edged weapons with the knowledge that anybody that an S is approaching can be swung at with a lethal weapon and come out of it alive.
Perhaps not in the lower ranks, but even from the anime, it is apparent that there is no hesitation involved with using edged weapons. |
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Except this Dexter-like Butei I thought of. Bashir is overtly a polished, good-natured Ambulance specializing in forensics and criminal psychology. In his other appearances, he helps Isara with cases that are beyond her. But given the chance, this no-ability-user stalks then kills off criminals who he researched to have been guilty but set free by the system. To the tune of "Rogues Do It From Behind." Inspired by Jack the Ripper discussion. Feel free to shoot it down. Quote:
Don't go! I need someone to vet my canonicity...!!! EDIT: Trying again --> Kobayashi G. Isara “Valkyrie” Affiliation: Butei - B. SSR - 14. Medica. Voice: Saori Hayama This cheerful, idealistic and naive medic is wholly into her job, making daily rounds around the class and the school, listening to complaints and worries alike. Not that chestnut-haired “hippie” is out of touch with the world; Isara is conscious of the distrust against superhuman Butei, but she wears the badge proudly, opting to let her work tell them otherwise. Her dress always includes a red scarf that is a heirloom from her grandmother. Isara also loves baking, and often makes extra for giving out. Many boys claim that her muffins have special properties, and with each batch comes even wilder claims, from increasing one’s luck at the lottery to becoming a super Butei for three minutes. Isara’s real ability instead enables her to release the latent power within enriched irokane directly and utilize it. However, irokane is much too rare to be used in this manner, so Nemo created a special alloy of 0.001% irokane and 99.999% ‘secret herbs and spices’. He then cast it into an arm-sized shield that Isara carries this shield of enriched irokane wherever she goes. At minimum output, the energy reinforces Kobayashi’s body, improves her strength and she can levitate by vector-thrusting. Her hair turns the same sky-blue color as her power. She can regenerate her wounds at a higher output, and apply that to her allies, allowing them to heal quicker. At this level, she can project a forcefield around herself, and include her allies at maximum output. However, this burns through the spirit energy reserves within 15 minutes. She can also empower the disc and use it as a blunt weapon. Or else, she throws the disc, making it arc around her opponents like a boomerang. But with her strong power in defense, Isara seldom attacks. Kobayashi is content to be the tank that makes sure her team returns home at the end of a quest.
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Though even if you copy the ability it still fall in the grade or G of your power. The higher the grade the stronger the spell or ability.
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The thing is, if you want others to use your characters, you have to write them first and "sell" them, more or less - there's a reason Outer Cadia (alright fine just me) ships Hayaurion. Also, if I may, if your intent is to create characters for other authors to use, and you do not intend to use these characters, then your current actions are a tad nonsensical, as once you release your character to others you have no control over him and her. As an example, Mara Jade. Timothy Zahn has a pretty good handle on her because he created her, but once that's done she belongs to Lucasfilm and so people can do things like kill Mara off. Quote:
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*shrug* So the Americans don't favor bayonets in room clearing but the Singaporeans do. Different choices by different organisations. And again, for god's sake, we're trying to apprehend the suspects, not kill them. Section 9, Section 9. How many SWAT teams with M4A1s do you ever see with bayonets anyway? NYPD doesn't use them. Quote:
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So yes, by all means strive towards perfection, but don't let it consume you. Now, I think we ought to give it a rest and move on to more important questions: Thoughts on said short snippet that I've put up as an example of the point and paradigms i attempt to convey? And again I'll say this - something that all Outer Cadians who've migrated here know - nobody will use your characters if you don't sell them, and the best way to sell them is to write. Quote:
Remember, people. Police Quest. Or SWAT 4 for the more actiony. As movies, Hot Fuzz, not Black Hawk Down. (Due to this anime having certain ties to the genre of buddy cop movies. Plus, that was an awesome shootout that ended in reams of paperwork.)
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2011-05-14, 23:30 | Link #108 |
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Okay, how about when critiquing anyone's idea, let's leave the personal attacks out of it. If you can't give an honest critique without being rude, then don't bother.
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2011-05-14, 23:43 | Link #110 | |
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And if someone makes a grab for a rifle, using momentum is simplest, least cumbersome way of course. But I think most people would reflexively strike the guy's face/ neck then put some rounds into him when he lets go...the combat knife or sidearm acts as insurance here.
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2011-05-14, 23:47 | Link #111 | |
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2011-05-14, 23:51 | Link #113 | |
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Besides....swinging and stabbing with a pathetically short and heavy rifle like the SAR vs just using your bare hands to wield it...I'd take the latter please. Now if it were the M-16 I'd have a spear and then a real difference will be made. Never in urban conditions though. And if someone is near enough to grab a freaking SAR...Yeah better to just draw a pistol if you have one or a knife...
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2011-05-15, 00:06 | Link #116 | |
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Kick the balls.
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2011-05-15, 00:09 | Link #117 | |
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Yeah kick the balls...too bad long pants and webbing don't exactly make kicking easy...
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2011-05-15, 00:23 | Link #118 |
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What the hell do we have a platoon of NSF in here or something?
If someone grabbed the SAR I'd still fire and burn his hands. The flash should also destabilize him for a shoulder tackle + auto in the face. We all have Hysteria Variant Syndrome for such moments...
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Still, duly noted. Spoiler for Replies to SaintessHeart:
Now, with regards to the usage of characters, since this seems to have been missed out, I would like to reiterate: if your intent with your OCs is to release them to other authors to use, then all of this sticking to your guns is nonsensical, as once you release an OC to another author the other author has the power over your OC. Thus all this drawings of lines in the sand is pointless. Again, as I have said earlier, if one wants one's OCs to be used by other authors, one must sell the character to the other authors. The best way to do this is by writing. To give an example, one of the most popular charecters in Star Wars Expanded Universe is a redhead named Mara Jade, created by Timothy Zahn in Heir to the Empire. Zahn was so good in selling his characters that he essentially created SW EU. He was so good at setting up the chemistry with Mara and Luke Skywalker that for many fans she was the only romantic option for him. And then it was decided to kill off Mara in the recent NJO books - Zahn wasn't pleased about that, but he recognised that Mara Jade was like any other character created by any writer in the shared Star Wars EU - any author can use another author's characters and the original creator has no say. tl;dr - you want people to use the Unamichi siblings, sell them to other authors by writing and be prepared to lose creative control. Give and take is needed, and right now there's not much give on your part, SaintessHeart. Remember, folks: Police Quest, not Modern Warfare. ...though in movie terms it's a lot closer to Hot Fuzz than Black Hawk Down.
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