2011-10-02, 20:25 | Link #1601 |
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That seems to suggest that military personnel cannot have successful relationships with civilians. Or pop idols with, well, common folk.
Every relationship involves obstacles to be navigated and compromises to be made. What matters is whether the people involved have the commitment to see it through. It wasn't Minmay's career that distanced her from Hikaru, but rather his decision to place her on a pedastal beyond his own reach. How can we even begin to talk about their differences or their inability to reach a compromise when Hikaru hardly took the effort to build a relationship with her in the first place? |
2011-10-02, 21:08 | Link #1602 |
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Yup, the contrast between civilians and the military is pretty much a recurring theme in SDFM and most of Macross (not in the real world off course). The Zentradi were protectors of the protoculture (culture creators) but had to stand outside of that society. The military/UN Spacy is portrayed as a similar human equivalent. Even Milia and Max are effectively separated during her time as a civilian mayor. Afaik only Isamu has been able to break that rule unpunished.
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2011-10-02, 22:13 | Link #1603 |
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We all knew Hikaru had to end up with Misa in the end anyway.
Otherwise, the concepts with Misa and Minmei personified wouldn't be adequately dealt with in a sensible, responsible manner. :P No but seriously, I'm pretty sure the whole thing was Hikaru acting as a surrogate for the viewer, who is supposed to be learning a lesson about maturity and healthy relationships. Hikaru is supposed to be a tool to drive home a point. |
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I also still can't help but think Grace was prone to "Why didn't you just shoot her?" She left Sheryl alive because she didn't view her as a threat anymore, and that bit her in the ass later. Then she didn't have a contingency to shoot Ranka while she was on Battle Galaxy, which was pretty silly given she'd already said "Hey! We don't need the Little Queen anymore!" and then realizing "Oh hey, the Little Queen isn't playing ball anymore and is screwing everything up." I mean seriously. Quote:
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2011-10-03, 08:05 | Link #1605 | |
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The discussion on Sheryl's character would perhaps be more appropriate for her character thread. To be fair, though, there are worse flaws to be had than thoughtlessly putting your life at risk for the sake of others. I think you're supposed to feel a bit of animosity towards Sheryl early on, though, simply because it seems like her existance is an obstacle in the way of Ranka's success (not that she actually is, of course, but I remember the reactions when the series first aired). It's just a question of whether you want to keep hating her or not.
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And Alto was being too much of a nice guy. I think he felt obligated. After all, it was her who indirectly gave Alto his entry into SMS. Otherwise, when was the last time Ranka sat down and seriously listened to what Alto had to say? - Tak
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2011-10-04, 01:29 | Link #1609 | |
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You got me there...I always assumed that during their continual texting back and forth in episode 4 that he must've been saying SOMETHING of substance, but maybe he wasn't.
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RANKA is not available to chat. ALTO: lol u totally jelus right btw tell ur bro 2 quit bin such a hardass lmao. RANKA is not available to chat.
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Ranka is the type of person that I'd vent my frustration behind her, but never in front of her. I just can't do it. Can't bring myself to hurt a little girl's feelings. The moment you do it, she either comes in teary eyed, or she summons a swarm of Vajra... Quote:
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Show me any point where Alto vents about Ranka's self-centeredness, and I'll concede.
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2011-10-04, 13:09 | Link #1616 |
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Eh, thats pretty close to what I was talking about.
I am saying I won't vent in front of Ranka, because she is not the type of girl that I'd dare hurt her feelings, but neither would Alto. However, while Alto wouldn't vent behind her either, I would, if ever given the opportunity. Latter part has nothing to do with Alto, since I never said Alto vented about her self-centeredness in front or behind her. - Tak
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Huh...? You were talking about Alto getting annoyed by Ranka talking about herself all the time. Is that the same as her leaving the ship...?
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