Claymore Chapter 123

[Claymore!]

Originally Posted by Double_friedman

It's like Rebecca Black, she had her moment and nothing happened.

Please.....

Don't mention that name. She is just so awful. It makes me sick, she just sucks so much.
There is a reason why she had the most hated video of all time on Youtube.

Anyways, I liked the chapter but it could have been a little bit better. With Clare in it of course.

[fraktur]

MS dropped claymore and the rest of the mangas licenced by viz.

Spoiler for excerpt:

Dear MS supporter,

It's with a heavy heart that I make the following announcement. MS will no longer be releasing the following series:

- Naruto
- Bleach
- One Piece
- Hunter x Hunter
- Katekyo Hitman Reborn
- Claymore
- D.Gray-man

VIZ Media has demanded that we end our scanlation work for all of the above. This comes despite our best efforts to pursuade fans into supporting official distributors by being the only group to actively prevent an archive from forming on their website through the removal of chapters that are older than a couple weeks. They've succeeded in little more than invoking inconvenience to the community as their digital magazine missed the mark; it runs several issues behind and only features 3 of the above series. So long as their product continues to be slow, awkward and inferior to something a ragtag group of nobodies can churn out in a few hours - fans will continue to look to scanlation groups and aggregators for their weekly fix.

bolded part: funny and so true

the rest is on their page, we could still get translations (possibly the so called "spoilers") though

[Friday]

very sad that.....and we were just getting to the juicy part!

[hamstar]

Originally Posted by fraktur

MS dropped claymore and the rest of the mangas licenced by viz.

Spoiler for excerpt:

Dear MS supporter,

It's with a heavy heart that I make the following announcement. MS will no longer be releasing the following series:

- Naruto
- Bleach
- One Piece
- Hunter x Hunter
- Katekyo Hitman Reborn
- Claymore
- D.Gray-man

VIZ Media has demanded that we end our scanlation work for all of the above. This comes despite our best efforts to pursuade fans into supporting official distributors by being the only group to actively prevent an archive from forming on their website through the removal of chapters that are older than a couple weeks. They've succeeded in little more than invoking inconvenience to the community as their digital magazine missed the mark; it runs several issues behind and only features 3 of the above series. So long as their product continues to be slow, awkward and inferior to something a ragtag group of nobodies can churn out in a few hours - fans will continue to look to scanlation groups and aggregators for their weekly fix.

bolded part: funny and so true

the rest is on their page, we could still get translations (possibly the so called "spoilers") though

Microsoft dropped whazawhaza!?!?

oh, mangastream....you had me going for a while there

mangastream sure does sound mad lol. The statement they released stopped short of cursing. Seriously, what did they expect?

[Gooral]

Don't you find it an odd "coincidence" that Viz has turned their eyes on MS just after one of the administrators deleted forums and did some other damage?

@Friday
I'm pretty sure that there will be at least 2 other scanlation groups making Claymore (one of them doing it much longer than MS and only with gernot's, i.e. most accurate translations). And even if the quality graphic-wise won't be as good, the most important thing (the script) will be the same (or even better). And there won't be any annoying watermarks and because of no over-kill cleaning people will see a version as close to the original as possible (in some of MS chapters some symbols were unreadable for example).

[hamstar]

surely we will see more chinese-scans being released as usual. I can wait for claymore (especially with its diminished quality these days).

Btw, thanks for the recommendations Gooral. I'm currently reading through Dorohedoro.

[Shiek927]

Taken from my conversation with Nixl about the situation

Spoiler for ranting:

Oh, them too?

Ehh, no biggie -- the site is still up after all, but unfortunately we won't be getting new Claymore there anymore...

Shame - makes me think back to that big scare when companies suddenly started hammering down on websites; we all agreed that, in the end, they would be shooting themselves in the foot; forcing us to wait for ages at a time, to buy their crappy translations.

I mean, maybe this is a shocker to companies, but I like what's most convenient to me, and always research before I buy; why would I buy a manga that I can get online? Maybe it's crappy...if I like something, their's a good chance I would buy it physically even if I can get it for free, because I like that feeling...either way, I like to research things before I buy.

Plus, I don't know about you, but manga isn't exactly a common thing where I am - whether in Florida, or in New Jersey....companies seem to think this is Japan, where everyone subscribes to magazines and their's a shop or something around every corner....sorry but, like I said, I'd rather not wait for months and months after the original release, to buy their crappy translations; especially if the story itself was bad and I didn't know because I couldn't research it beforehand because they are shutting down websites...

It won't matter - no matter what they do, they can't massive censor....even if SOPA passed, their would be something to rise up and make people take everything back; it would be complicated perhaps, it would be difficult, but it would it happen....companies underestimate just how much the Internet has become a part of billions of people's daily life, and part of that comes from the freedom in knowing it's free - that you can read what you like, post what you like, and do what you like....taking that away all for the sake of making a few extra bucks is suicide in the end, especially if it's all for the sake of being forced to buy their crappy products.

You can apply that argument to so much - companies can't stand copyright, but it wouldn't be a big issue if, undeniably, their wasn't so much trash out there...why should I be forced to buy something before testing it out to see if I like it? Do they expect consumers to buy everything blindfolded? That seems to be the way corporations seem to prefer...which, again, is gonna backfire if control goes up, but quality remains low...people are simply gonna fight harder to retain their freedom and not buy shit, and nothing will seemingly change.

By all means VIZ, music companies, hollywood, CEOS of the world.... keep stopping websites....block the whole internet if you think you can; people aren't gonna buy shit from you nor will they take shit from you.

Really, it's not a big thing all things considered; as Nixl told me, they are just playing a game of whack-a-mole....they hit one, more take it's place....and like the game, if they try covering all the holes at once, they will end up breaking the machine which is a pretty true metaphor.

But like I said in that quote, even if more censorship and/or SOPA (which will get passed sooner or later) gets passed, it wouldn't make much of a difference because people would still find a way to pass around free-stuff; while I'm all for artists getting their fair-credit, It doesn't pass me by that all of this boils down to money money money.

So no, really...in the long term scale of things, Mangastream losing Claymore, Megavideo/Megaupload going down...it's inconvenient and annoying for only a short time, since their are undoubtedly a dozen more sites like it, and even if their weren't, their place will get filled up again anyway.

Sad yes, but in a way, not really....no matter what the big-wigs do, it's all in vain, and frankly, for the better that way.

[Solace]

It's unfortunate, but not something to be discussed further here.

[TimeMask]

Originally Posted by Awakened

I still think Claymore is one of the best manga, I'm just not as excited about it as before. Since Isley died it kept going down-hill. To many intervention by God Yagi. Miria is not that interesting, she mostly shine when she is with Clare, but I guess Lord Yagi wanted her to be more than just Clare's sidekick.

Gamaran is a good manga so far, not to many God interventions.

I still like Claymore, but the trill is gone.

I think the plot has thickened since Isley died with the resurrection of the No. 1 Claymore and even Raki got to fight and before he didn't do much.

Miria is the leader of the Ghosts so how can she be a sidekick? if Clare had a sidekick it would be Raki or Jean since they followed Clare while Clare followed Miria.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by Solace

It's unfortunate, but not something to be discussed further here.

I know, just wanted to get my words out

--

Miria is the leader of the Ghosts so how can she be a sidekick? if Clare had a sidekick it would be Raki or Jean since they followed Clare while Clare followed Miria.

Nobody is the side-kick of anybody in this story; he was just thinking in too-simple terms since alot of people think Claire is the center of Claymore and, thus, all people something have some sort of position next to her; whether side-kick, friend, lover etc...

It doesn't work like that and Claire is not the center of the universe.

[TimeMask]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

Nobody is the side-kick of anybody in this story; he was just thinking in too-simple terms since alot of people think Claire is the center of Claymore and, thus, all people something have some sort of position next to her; whether side-kick, friend, lover etc...

It doesn't work like that and Claire is not the center of the universe.

I agree which is why I said "if Clare had a sidekick it would be Raki" and I was explaining why I think Miria isn't a sidekick since she is the leader of the 7 Ghosts and Clare is 1 of the Ghosts.

Also you said nobody is a sidekick but then said some people have a position next to Clare "whether side-kick, friend, lover etc...".

[Shiek927]

Well....*sigh

I guess that's one way to put it; the word "side-kick" though makes it seem like they are, in some way, inferior to Claire...plus, side-kick is usually reserved for comic-book superheroes

I think that's what it was; "side-kick" elevates Claire too much, and brings the others down...better to just say friends/comrades, or something .

By the way, I always loved that image of Miria - only she could stand in the rain looking so good

[Awakened]

Originally Posted by TimeMask

I think the plot has thickened since Isley died with the resurrection of the No. 1 Claymore and even Raki got to fight and before he didn't do much.

Miria is the leader of the Ghosts so how can she be a sidekick? if Clare had a sidekick it would be Raki or Jean since they followed Clare while Clare followed Miria.

lol, Its Clare's story, the rest of them are just in it for the ride.

Lord Yagi has added lots of new stuff, but the plot has become less "realistic". For example all of the Claymores currently fighting should be dead multiple times, including Miria, but no one has died.

Have you noticed how Hysteria keep taking bathroom breaks every time Miria or Deneven wants to say something?

[Neo_Xsendra]

Wow ignored by the moment i posted. what a beginning XD

about the "claire isnt" the main charakter" discussion:

main charakter isnt defined by screentime, but by STORY-time. claymore is clearly claires story. ith about her, the ones she loves, what she lost and the one which are "like her" she is the "red ranger of claymores"

i mean: is claymore about the team? yes, it is. but as someone which is a part time writer by himself: you ALWAYS need a main charakter. You may have more, but never have more than 1 on the same "screen" if there are more then 1, you have to choose one which is the MAIN maincharakter. the one on which in the end all your storylines will conclude. (so whatever you do, you still will have only 1 main charakter in the end)

And this charakter is claire. she's the center of the main story.

you may proove me wrong

(sorry for the spelling. my english sucks XD)

[TimeMask]

Originally Posted by Awakened

lol, Its Clare's story, the rest of them are just in it for the ride.

Lord Yagi has added lots of new stuff, but the plot has become less "realistic". For example all of the Claymores currently fighting should be dead multiple times, including Miria, but no one has died.

Have you noticed how Hysteria keep taking bathroom breaks every time Miria or Deneven wants to say something?

True but the meaning of sidekick I was talking about means a super hero's partner and Raki suits being called a partner more then Miria who is a leader type but I don't think of anyone in Claymore to be a sidekick.

Hysteria is very confident so she's taking her time to kill Miria's side which is why Miria has time to talk but I see what you mean about Hysteria doing nothing while people talk.

[clarakiss~]

it's okay everyone.. bodies will be piling up once prissy shows up, just to make up for no one dying against the new pitiful and lame so called abyssals. lol

[Ulquihorror]

would be fun if clare ends waking up in priscilla's body and vice sersa

[Claymore!]

Originally Posted by Neo_Xsendra

Wow ignored by the moment i posted. what a beginning XD

Yeah thats how i felt when i first joined .
You just have to start posting more and more often and people will start to comment and will lead to discussions.

i mean: is claymore about the team? yes, it is. but as someone which is a part time writer by himself: you ALWAYS need a main charakter. You may have more, but never have more than 1 on the same "screen" if there are more then 1, you have to choose one which is the MAIN maincharakter. the one on which in the end all your storylines will conclude. (so whatever you do, you still will have only 1 main charakter in the end)

I remember saying the same exact thing a while ago. That is how how I see it. Clare is the main main character. Out of all the main characters like Mira, Deneve, Helen, and Raki(?) she is the queen. She is the main character of main characters.

And this charakter is claire. she's the center of the main story.

Yes. The center story is about Clare's revenge on Priscilla. It has been that way from the beginning. We have gotten a very large amount of back story for her. More than any other character.

And then there are some other plots to go along with it. Such as revenge on the Organization (current arcs) and Clare and Raki's reunion. And possibly that whole Dragon-kin thing on a different continent.

[Fermat]

Missed out on the two good doctors... Haha! Really, I'm not sure whether Dr. Deneve was serious about his/her statements, but I wouldn't be surprised if s/he was. I, myself, am an M.D., graduating with honors from one of the top universities in the country, and I must admit that the feeling of superiority sometimes surfaces whether I'm conscious of it or not. I mean, people's lives are almost literally my playthings, and a wrong word can send people to their deaths just like that (though that'll likely result in a lawsuit). Now, I'm not sure whether Dr. Deneve is a Ph.D. or an M.D., but really, sometimes we get the feeling that we can think no wrong, i.e. we are infallible, and that all other minds are below ours. Not particularly healthy from a social viewpoint, I know. I try to suppress it the best I can, but it sometimes rears its ugly head whenever I have a hard time explaining and arguing with patients and relatives that are particularly difficult to reason with.

Originally Posted by Neo_Xsendra

Wow ignored by the moment i posted. what a beginning XD

about the "claire isnt" the main charakter" discussion:

main charakter isnt defined by screentime, but by STORY-time. claymore is clearly claires story. ith about her, the ones she loves, what she lost and the one which are "like her" she is the "red ranger of claymores"

i mean: is claymore about the team? yes, it is. but as someone which is a part time writer by himself: you ALWAYS need a main charakter. You may have more, but never have more than 1 on the same "screen" if there are more then 1, you have to choose one which is the MAIN maincharakter. the one on which in the end all your storylines will conclude. (so whatever you do, you still will have only 1 main charakter in the end)

And this charakter is claire. she's the center of the main story.

you may proove me wrong

(sorry for the spelling. my english sucks XD)

Hello! Welcome!

Indeed, Clare's revenge is at the core of the story, and that plot has reached, quite literally, a standstill. And so we are forced to view the series in a broader sense and see that while important, CLAYMORE isn't all about Clare's tale. In that sense, we may view the ragtag bunch of titular characters as the collective main. You may also just say that Clare is the main, with the others as supporting characters with nearly as much importance.

Originally Posted by clarakiss~

it's okay everyone.. bodies will be piling up once prissy shows up, just to make up for no one dying against the new pitiful and lame so called abyssals. lol

Maybe so, but that pile 1) may not be as large as we want it to be, at least compared to what is maximally attainable given Priscilla's power level, and 2) we might have a pile of dead baddies sans any claymores (which is what I want) thanks to plot armor. Funnily enough, when Priscilla "returned," the only ones she actively participated in killing were antagonists—Alicia and Beth (Okay, they weren't exactly bad guys, but they were unthinking tools by antagonists, so...), Riful, Duff, and the Hellcats. Not exactly a huge pile, at least compared to the theoretical one she created when she went batcrap crazy in the North. She hasn't killed any major protagonists since Teresa, something not very promising. Hell, Helen and Deneve lived against an actively-pursuing Priscilla. They might be strong compared to most of the warriors/protagonists, but compared to Priscilla's power, the difference is insignificant, so the chance of survival might be similar, i.e. disproportionately high.

Originally Posted by Ulquihorror

would be fun if clare ends waking up in priscilla's body and vice sersa

...
No... That would be utterly unthinkable.

[Awakened]

Originally Posted by TimeMask

True but the meaning of sidekick I was talking about means a super hero's partner and Raki suits being called a partner more then Miria who is a leader type but I don't think of anyone in Claymore to be a sidekick.

Hysteria is very confident so she's taking her time to kill Miria's side which is why Miria has time to talk but I see what you mean about Hysteria doing nothing while people talk.

I did not literally mean sidekick, I meant "sidekick", ie secondary.


Anyway, back in the good old days of Claymore, we would not have a Dr. Deneven. We would have been left to speculate, and that was lots of fun. No one speculate anymore.