2012-09-21, 23:33 | Link #1342 |
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ln all honesty from the very beginning the staff pretty much made it clear there would be only two outcomes in the end.
1) Yuki ends with Chisato 2) He ends up alone. Aside from small interactions with the other girl's no matter how fun they may have been, none of them had as much screen time as chisato or a strong emotional attachment to Yuki like chisato has.
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In other words, the foreshadowing should be further developed somewhere in the interim (for example, it would have been very helpful if we had seen some semblance of doubt in Oojima's eyes or words as he flirts with other girls - but such visible doubt or uncertainty was never there at all, imo). Light foreshadowing of an important plot point shouldn't disappear and seem insignificant for most of the narrative, and then come back into the fore just due to some seemingly randomly chosen exposition device (Mouri, in this case). Quote:
It's probably fair to say that Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate tries too hard to be dramatic and entertaining, and this has a major impact on how the characters are perceived (and in some cases, the impact is definitely for the worst). Ultimately, this show was too ambitious for its own good, at least given the one cour time frame it had to work with. Quote:
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I found it quite disturbing myself, and I think that's how most observers would find Chisato's actions in that scene. Now, Koi to Senkyo to Chocholate certainly had a lot of nice scenes, and the election plot itself was extremely engaging. I think that's part of the reason why some of us are so disappointed here, as this show had considerable potential. It might still live up to that potential as far as the election plot alone is concerned, but I'm admittedly skeptical there. Quote:
The staff did not in any way make it clear that it was impossible for Yuki to end up with anybody but Chisato. Quote:
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2012-09-22, 06:17 | Link #1344 |
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Okay, so a few comments about this episode:
1. The Chisato issue. For the amount of drama they stuffed into the whole "substitute brother" thing, it was resolved WAY too easily. And the way Mifuyu "solved" it seems kinda......................immature. It probably wasn't her intent, but it pretty much just boiled down to :"Either you stop being sad, or I'm gonna go make myself sad too". 2. Speaking of which, the scar. Seriously? My CAT has a bigger scar than that. Not sure why it's that big a deal 3. Someone mentioned that from the VN, all the other club members know is that Chisato doesn't like chocolate. So Mifuyu must be Sherlock Holmes or something, to have figured out the entire situation from a box of half-eaten chocolate bars. And how have they not gone off yet? I've seen what happens when you leave some M&Ms in a desk drawer for 6 months. It's NOT pretty 4. And seriously? Kana awoke from a coma which trained health professionals couldn't cure through the power of friendship and music? When did this become an episode of YGOTAS? |
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But most of that emotionality wasn't clear until just recently. It was always clear that Chisato cared more about Oojima than what Satsuki did (though Satsuki did come to care a fair bit about him all the same), but I didn't see any clear indications during the first half of Oojima being moved by Chisato more than what he was moved by Satsuki. I certainly doubt that anybody is surprised that Oojima has ended up with Chisato. If you were to tell viewers back when Episode 2 was airing that Oojima would end up with Chisato, nobody would be surprised by that. But I don't think it was unthinkable for the anime to go in a different direction and end with Oojima and some other girl. I mean, here's one area where Mashiro-iro Symphony does come into play - It shows how ending an unified eroge adaptation on someone other than the main heroine is quite possible.
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Mifuyu, prez Mouri, Yuuki and Chisato interactions and words in last episode explain it everything really clearly in last episode. Its impossible to do it simpler... But a lot of viewers are now too angry that anime is not going into their favourite direction that they dont want or cant see it clearly... It would be better if you just rewatch KoiCho after some time... Without emotions you have now... There is only one complain you can have here- that its rushed... yes ofc its rushed, but you cant do better in last two episodes... Thats how anime romances works. In 90% of them main character realize his feelings in last few moments of serie. It doesnt matter if its shoujo, shounen, love triangle, sudden girl appearence, love triangle or harem- its always same. There are only few category of romances where its not case, but thats because that few use different schemes. Some ppl told that this anime should have two seasons... But even with two seasons not really a lot would change. Political aspect would be better played, but romance aspect would be same- characters would still running randomly all over the place and Yuuki would still realize his feelings close to end. If you complain about it you should complain about whole anime industry. Because in the end Koicho is not different then most of anime romances and ends in same way. Quote:
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Also care to tell what other hints there were in the previous episodes besides Daiki. I wasn't actually going too much in mashifoni anime, because this is not the right topic for it but i think that you are still too much biased towards a specific heroine. I never thought that mashifoni changed it's direction for another heroine mid way.While this can be debated seeing how the anime primarily focused on one character for 5 episodes, but Spoiler for mashifoni:
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Also this flashback is common route material and it ended up being not used in any of the other routes except Chisato's. Also Yuuki has forgotten about that flashback entirely and he only remembered that during the mock wedding. Quote:
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I will said one thing clearly- im not shipper in this anime. This anime havent female archetypes i like most in romances. But still i was rooting for Chisato winning from begining- simple because of strong bond between them. In romances like this feelings between characters are most important for me. And i not care which girl is more ideal for me, but what MC real feelings are. Without that all if it will be more Mishiro kind of romance, where Yuuki for example just transfer to new school and meet some girls for first time in his life i think i would root for Satsuki more then for Chisato.
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Also you keep insisting by "watch the last 2 episodes", so what kept you from believing the same for Mashifoni. The developments there were done in more than 2 episodes and you refused that. Also you seem to misunderstand me. If i haven't read the game, my opinion for Chisato would be even less high. It's because i know how their relationship in the game was, is what preventing me from disliking her any bit. Especially in episode 10, in which most people started to dislike her. I have no idea what that sarcasm was supposed to mean. I had difficulties answering your previous question because you were exagerating if you don't get aroused by a girl in bath, that it means that you are a rapist or something. Quote:
So how did you see the last episode? The scenes in which Yuuki was being frustrated for being Daiki for Chisato, while Chisato needed Yuuki as an emotional support the whole time for the guilt and loss of Daiki? And the whole base for the story would entirely fall apart if it weren't Daiki, because you would have lost the whole chocolate drama plus the whole reason why Yuuki searching for "Love" as Relentlessflame has nicely put it. You can't leave out important plot element out of your own convenience. Last edited by hyl; 2012-09-22 at 08:55. |
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edit: i have actually no idea what you are actually trying to say in the last few posts. Are you implying that whole deal with Chisato was made believable just because of what Mouri said in less than 20 seconds? Besides the obvious chocolate related scenes with chisato that ended up being not romantically at all, i actually have not seen that many hints that Yuuki was romantically interested towards Chisato nor any hints that he was conflicted because he liked her deep inside. Also you keep avoiding naming a few of these hints, so i have no actual incentive to believe your claims at this moment. Last edited by hyl; 2012-09-22 at 09:39. |
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2012-09-22, 09:52 | Link #1358 | |
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l just returned to this forum a few days ago from a long hiatus so l wouldn't know what the consensus here was. But if you stop to think about it, none of the other female characters got as much screen time as chisato, all Yuki had with the other girls was nice little moments but nothing big. l'm a Mifuyu fan and l'm not happy about the choice but at the same time l realise that the only choice was Chisato all along. The other girls were just there to tease with the possibility but at the end not to be taken serious.
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Yuuki was uncomfortable, because their relationship stopped at point that was 10 years ago. They grow up, both psychically and mentally, both of them develop strong feelings to each over, but they hide it deeply in their heart. Because of Daiki case. Yuuki was never brother to Chisato and she never treated him like one. He was just simple replacement because of her trauma and guilty feelings. If the one who died would be her father, mother or sister Yuuki could still be replacement in same way. But even this was just another wall behind whom Chisato real feelings was hidden. Same with Yuuki, his problem wasnt less serious, he created walls to hide his real feelings too. Thats why it wasnt that easy to figure out his real feelings till last episodes and thats why a lot of people was still thiking that Yuuki still have a lot of possibilities for winning girl. But that was never case here. Mouri explanation (Mifuyu too) was just to simple explain it for viewers. Because its not game, where player can look into MC mind and see everything clearly. Thats why we not see how troubled by his relationship with Chisato Yuuki is, but that not means he is not thinking about it in his mind all the time.
About chocolate scene in 10 episode- it was first time then Yuuki break behind walls he created and speak what he really have deeply in his heart. You can complain that in this scene he didnt said it clearly- "i love you", but that wasnt necessary there and it was too early for him to do it. It was deeply emotional scene, really hard for him, because it was first time after 10 years when he tried to come to grips with his own feelings. Look in his eyes when he was complaining that she not love him and his decision that he dont want to be replacement anymore but just real Yuuki to her was enough in this scene. I think its even better then he realize everything in next episode, while talking with Mouri. Its 10 years trauma, you cant bring all that emotions in one scene, he would break down for real from this.
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