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Yup. These two - a fine example of courage and leadership. They have a couple things going for them: 1. Credibility. They themselves are gun owners. 2. Victimization. Gabby Giffords was a victim in a mass shooting. 3. Resources. These two have the resources to advocate against the current status quo, pertaining to "Gun Rights". Then combine these three -- you have a High Profile, that allows them to lead by example. Ultimately, there is a movement going on in favor of Gun Safety. The NRA arguments of "Gun Rights", "Protection", and all other arguments dropped into this thread and the "Gun Control" thread in favor of maintaining the status quo is in the process of weakening. Basically, the number of Americans (owners and non-owners) are getting sick and damned tired of "Gun Violence". It'll be only a matter of time till more and more people can see right through the empty NRA rhetoric. The NRA leads -- by means of instilling FEAR. Once more Americans wake up - they will be able to see right through all of that.
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Obama urges graduates to blunt special interests by getting involved
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2013-05-06, 05:22 | Link #943 | |
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They're all betting on the general public to become outright frustrated, distraught, and ultimately apathetically hopeless about the political system, so that they can use their power and wealth to control America. To those kinds of people, I give them the middle finger. If necessary, it may take the next generation to clean up the mess and garbage left behind the self-absorbed Baby Boom Generation.
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2013-05-06, 20:24 | Link #946 |
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Originally posted by Kyuu:Ultimately, there is a movement going on in favor of Gun Safety. The NRA arguments of "Gun Rights", "Protection", and all other arguments dropped into this thread and the "Gun Control" thread in favor of maintaining the status quo is in the process of weakening. Basically, the number of Americans (owners and non-owners) are getting sick and damned tired of "Gun Violence".
Yeah we're gettin damned sick and tired of the "Gun Safety"/"Gun Violence" continuence! What happened to tryin to shore up the economy? Fixin the immagration thing? I don't agree with the NRA or its fear mongerin! But I would like to see where another ban will fix anything?! |
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To answer the first question -- sadly, this gun debate is so fundamental -- everything else, including the economy, is taking a back seat. Yet, economically, we're actually faring better now -- than say -- when Obama first took office. It ain't perfect. Millions are still unemployed; but at least, it is in the general direction of improvement. Very slow improvement. Imagine how things would have been with a more cooperative Congress. We'd probably be in some kind of boom by now.
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I have no issue with the Giffords, but the idea that simply owning a gun makes one "credible" or whatever other authoritative terms you want to use on the issue of gun control is laughable. Does simply owning a car make one any more or less "credible" when it comes to issues regarding motor vehicle control? Quote:
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But what disgusted me the most was Obama and company asked for a vote and got it, then he and his cohorts literally acted like spoiled children when they didn't get their way! Also one never heard about what bills congress did pass this week, simply because it isn't news worthy. |
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Gabby Gifford's credibility is supported by two things: Gun Ownership and Victimization from the Tuscon Shooting. Being a survivor, she's more credible than most. Gee, by any chance, would you wish she had died from that shooting? C'mon man. Let out your evil and have some wishful thinking on that line. Doooo eeeeet. Quote:
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In light of Citizen's United -- thankfully, the rights do not extend into privacy. Else, they'd be free and more likely to even do greater damage.
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However, if I were one of the most extreme gun nuts out there, I'd wish for something like that. Hell, I'm sure they're hoping for Obama to be assassinated too. It's just how -- they -- are. Giving you the tip of that hat, you're not in that category. Congratulations. But make no mistake. After this recent convention, the NRA really showed where they truly stand. All this -- liberty, freedom, and rights talk from the NRA. It is ALL baloney. Instead, the NRA is the politics of War, Violence, and Death. By sheer comparison, this is close to tyranny; not there yet, 'cause they're not using brute force yet. They can't. Just a reminder: I support the Second Amendment too -- just more towards the "well regulated militia" end. Regulation. Regulation. Regulation. De-regulation has brought us nothing but trouble so far. Everything from gun violence to the financial crisis 5 years ago. All this garbage needs to stop. If regulation gets too much, then that's where the "shall not be infringed" part kicks in. Finally, instead of opposing the NRA, you're here fighting me. From what I take so far, YOU are not fighting this evil. So guess what buddy? I will like to see more of this out of you. Start fighting the NRA position -- IF -- you really are not in support of them.
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To be fair, posting on an anime site is not really "fighting" them either. And as far as any of us can tell, that's all you're doing. But we don't know if that's all you're doing, so you really shouldn't just assume that anyone else isn't doing anything either.
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Finally, the NRA is developing a weaker position, such that it has to resort to holding some kind of convention to promote its position. The organization can no longer bombast its talking points everywhere, because it is finding opposition within its own ranks. This is quite a good sign, for things to actually change finally. It's slow; but the general direction is there. Those "bans" ... that's in the distant, if things ever get that far. If things are done right, only certain kinds of bans would be needed, such that overwhelming majorities are satisfied. Quite frankly, it is not something to be afraid of in the first place anyways.
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Christie's comments on weight, health over time
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/chris...alth-over-time Senator says military plagued by sexual assaults http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...05-07-10-49-14
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Whether you side with the NRA or not, you used their arguments. Therefore, I get to lump you with the whole lot of them, by supporting their policy positions. If you happen to reject those, then alright. Y'get some slack. Thus, a follow-up question: What do you think about the rejection of that recent background checks bill? As for the "other" proponents of the bill, I don't know much about those parts; but I heard those were the parts that motivated the Senate to reject it. To make things clear - the goal here is: "Increased gun safety while retaining gun rights". Your proposition to this goal is to retain the status quo. However, I'm sorry. That is not acceptable. Anyways, I'll enjoy me some gun legal and "well-regulated gun" use: Spoiler:
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