(L+CR) My Teenage RomCom SNAFU (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru)

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[AcroDave]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Hachiman didn't accuse anyone of slacking off. All he said was that he was being overworked, which is why everyone else took it to mean he was complaining because he was lazy.

Well he said: "A cultural festival where if you look at it closely, one side is slacking off (...) so I'd say it's fitting for this festival committee " - which I took to mean half the committee was slacking off. But I think you're right, he's just referring to the 'side' of the character.

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Haruno was teasing him because as a public enemy, he has to stand out, but currently on the records he does not. That's why she was teasing him, saying he wasn't doing his job and calling him a scrub.

She says to Hikki: "You haven't put your own achievements in the record" - so the question is, why didn't he? The only reason would be, he wants to make it look like he's doing less work than he really is. IE: he wants people to think he is slacking off, after he complained about how hard he is working. Well, that's how I would interpret it.

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

What Hachiman is saying to her is that it doesn't matter who the bad guy is as long as the person plays his/her role properly and provokes the group to work against him/her. The important part is the solution, not the truth. If people find out - great, even better, and if they don't - oh well, he never needed nor expected them to anyway.

Well maybe Yukino thinks there was a 'misunderstanding', but there's no way Hachiman did. He's the one who created the situation, and he chose his words pretty carefully.


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[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by AcroDave

She says to Hikki: "You haven't put your own achievements in the record" - so the question is, why didn't he? The only reason would be, he wants to make it look like he's doing less work than he really is. IE: he wants people to think he is slacking off, after he complained about how hard he is working. Well, that's how I would interpret it.

Different subs (can't say which) have the line translated as "I mean, these minutes don't list any achievements by you." Nowhere does it mention that the system requires the committee list their own achievements, and if people could do that, it would be so easy to abuse (i.e. lie and put in stuff you haven't done) that it would defeat the purpose of listing achievements in the first place.

I doubt Hachiman is slacking off on purpose when he is the one who tsukkomi'd "Why? I totally am!" when Haruno said he wasn't working.

Haruno was telling Hachiman that a common enemy has to be a threat. He hasn't made himself stand out enough for that. Are you really going to take one guy seriously at work just because he was a jackass in one meeting?

Originally Posted by AcroDave

Well maybe Yukino thinks there was a 'misunderstanding', but there's no way Hachiman did. He's the one who created the situation, and he chose his words pretty carefully.

Hachiman wants the committee to pick up the pace so that they don't dump everything onto Yukino.

Most of the committee members believe Hachiman is selfishly complaining about his own workload, which is different from the truth.

Because the committee's perception of Hachiman's actions is different from what he's really thinking, it is a misunderstanding on the committee's part, regardless of the fact that it was a desired outcome. That's all there is to it.

[ID555]

Originally Posted by AcroDave

She says to Hikki: "You haven't put your own achievements in the record" - so the question is, why didn't he? The only reason would be, he wants to make it look like he's doing less work than he really is. IE: he wants people to think he is slacking off, after he complained about how hard he is working. Well, that's how I would interpret it.



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I didn't read too much into that line of hers. Basically she was just praising him, and meant that no one will really know of his contribution (uniting the committee against him, making everyone share the workload).

He was recording minutes of the meeting, as in what discussion took place during the meeting.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by ID555

I didn't read too much into that line of hers. Basically she was just praising him, and meant that no one will really know of his contribution (uniting the committee against him, making everyone share the workload).

He was recording minutes of the meeting, as in what discussion took place during the meeting.

Yeah, after considering all the arguments, I think this makes the most sense in context.

She's not criticising his job as "the enemy". Instead, she's basically saying "without a rallying cry, everyone slacks off". And though he isn't much of an enemy to speak of, he still managed to rally the troupes to get their work done.

And yet, despite having done this, his "achievement" goes un-noted in the minutes, while others keep piling extra work on him in retaliation.

So he's basically the "unsung hero", and here she is singing his praises -- which he hates.

Originally Posted by AcroDave

Well he said: "A cultural festival where if you look at it closely, one side is slacking off (...) so I'd say it's fitting for this festival committee " - which I took to mean half the committee was slacking off. But I think you're right, he's just referring to the 'side' of the character.

No no, I think you were right the first time. He was definitely accusing "the committee" -- or more specifically the leader of the committee who came up with that slogan of slacking off. It was a direct attack against her leadership abilities; that's how he meant it, and that's how she took it. Now, whether everyone else understood this isn't clear, because they would have to be as perceptive as he is of what was really going on.

When Hachiman made his illustration, he was obviously referring to Yukino as the sacrifice who was taking on the load on behalf of the slacking chairman. (This is the entire reason he came up with this strategy to "change the world".) But he couldn't very well accuse her straight up due to reasons. So instead of pointing to Yukino as the sacrifice carrying the extra load, he sacrifices himself as if he's the one taking on the extra load, even though that wasn't really the point at all. But Yukino sees right through him and that's why she laughs.

So yeah, this was in every way meant as a "diss" and had nothing to do about Hachiman being upset about his workload in the slightest. And that's why Haruno burst out laughing as soon as she heard the slogan; she knew exactly what was going on with Yukino and the chairman (she helped cause it after all), and immediately saw the crazy way he was going to fix the problem.

[MasterVampire]

So I havnt watched this series yet but since its a romance one has there been any payoff?

I mean I kinda hate it when a romance series end and there is no progress or the two don't get togeather.

[NeutralZero]

In terms of the romance department... you may really be disappointed...
the story (anime) may end with little progress to their relationship and it'll be a long run before he actually ended up with someone...

[Quol]

The anime covers volumes 1-6 with volume 6 ending with no real romantic progress (there is some progress in friendship with yukino and hikki however)
Unless they do an anime only episode as episode 13, with one of them confessing (which is highly unlikely) things wont really go the romantic route.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Yeah, after considering all the arguments, I think this makes the most sense in context.

She's not criticising his job as "the enemy". Instead, she's basically saying "without a rallying cry, everyone slacks off". And though he isn't much of an enemy to speak of, he still managed to rally the troupes to get their work done.

And yet, despite having done this, his "achievement" goes un-noted in the minutes, while others keep piling extra work on him in retaliation.

So he's basically the "unsung hero", and here she is singing his praises -- which he hates.

I disagree, she was definitely criticizing his job as "the enemy", otherwise she would not have said "but this enemy here is a bit of a scrub" then lecture him on how the "common enemy" has to do his job properly for people to have a desire to oppose him.

Didn't you say that "he wasn't much of an enemy to speak of" yourself?

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

No no, I think you were right the first time. He was definitely accusing "the committee" -- or more specifically the leader of the committee who came up with that slogan of slacking off. It was a direct attack against her leadership abilities; that's how he meant it, and that's how she took it. Now, whether everyone else understood this isn't clear, because they would have to be as perceptive as he is of what was really going on.

When Hachiman made his illustration, he was obviously referring to Yukino as the sacrifice who was taking on the load on behalf of the slacking chairman. (This is the entire reason he came up with this strategy to "change the world".) But he couldn't very well accuse her straight up due to reasons. So instead of pointing to Yukino as the sacrifice carrying the extra load, he sacrifices himself as if he's the one taking on the extra load, even though that wasn't really the point at all. But Yukino sees right through him and that's why she laughs.

So yeah, this was in every way meant as a "diss" and had nothing to do about Hachiman being upset about his workload in the slightest. And that's why Haruno burst out laughing as soon as she heard the slogan; she knew exactly what was going on with Yukino and the chairman (she helped cause it after all), and immediately saw the crazy way he was going to fix the problem.

I never said Hachiman was upset about his workload, just that it was how most of the people took his statement.

They don't know whom he was directing his statement towards except "the committee" in general (because that's as specific as he got), so naturally most people would assume he was talking about everyone in general. Whether they understand he was talking about Sagami and Yukino in particular is not necessary for Hachiman. He doesn't need them to know he was "dissing" them, just for them to hate his guts enough to where they will do something about it.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

I disagree, she was definitely criticizing his job as "the enemy", otherwise she would not have said "but this enemy here is a bit of a scrub" then lecture him on how the "common enemy" has to do his job properly for people to have a desire to oppose him.

Didn't you say that "he wasn't much of an enemy to speak of" yourself?

She were praising him, but also couldn't help herself but tease him as well. She is like this from very begening afterall. There is no reason to critize him in first place. To act as common enemy was something he decide himself, noone demanded it from him and it worked. So yes it's praise.

I never said Hachiman was upset about his workload, just that it was how most of the people took his statement.

They don't know whom he was directing his statement towards except "the committee" in general (because that's as specific as he got), so naturally most people would assume he was talking about everyone in general. Whether they understand he was talking about Sagami and Yukino in particular is not necessary for Hachiman. He doesn't need them to know he was "dissing" them, just for them to hate his guts enough to where they will do something about it.

But Hikki did talk about commite in general, half of commit was slacking off, not just Sagami and while she was responsible for it, people who followed her caused work pill up as well. Reason why Hikki acted as bad guy was to "change world" not to "Show Sagami her place {or whatever)".

[kobester11]

Spoiler for Episode 12:

Okay, I just watched the episode and it's so-so I guess? I mean they did follow the novels but the problem lies in the production. Last weeks animation was obviously better. Plus, DAT concert scene... Full of stills and the crowd scenes...T.T Now, I'm worried about Blood Lad.

All in all, it's a great finale. But isn't the studio supposed to give it all for the finale?


...Oh right, there's one more left xD

[MisaoFan]

Spoiler for Episode 12:

I really appreciated this episode. I still feel bad for Sagami though, she's not a bad person but is still incapable of properly roleplaying as a chairman. While Hachiman is acting as a shounen villain against the girl by throwing insults, he convinced well enough to give Sagami a moral lesson, and it's a good thing she doesn't need to be slapped even if she's weak. The cultural festival really worked nicely in the end, in spite of this Sagami is still crying all over herself. And it's time for moving on with the final episode next week!

[Tenzen12]

That was shortest last episode I ever saw. Honesty I don't know if I can recover from thursdays without Oregairu.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

She were praising him, but also couldn't help herself but tease him as well. She is like this from very begening afterall. There is no reason to critize him in first place. To act as common enemy was something he decide himself, noone demanded it from him and it worked. So yes it's praise.

She doesn't even care whether people notice she's playing the bad guy for Yukino. What makes you think she cares whether Hachiman gets any appreciation for doing the same for the committee?

Now look at this scene:

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Pay attention to the committee members in the background. Are they paying any attention to Hachiman? Do they look angry at him for what he said, or angry at all?


There is still one episode left. Considering that the episode on a less-than-happy note with a scene of Sagami looking distressed, do you honestly think Hachiman's role as the "bad guy" is done with only one speech? Do you think the festival will proceed smoothly from here on out without any more problems?

Do you believe Haruno thinks Hachiman's role as the bad guy is done and that the festival will proceed smoothly to her?

[monir]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

That was shortest last episode I ever saw. Honesty I don't know if I can recover from thursdays without Oregairu.

Rejoice, for there is one more left!

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Different subs (can't say which) have the line translated as "I mean, these minutes don't list any achievements by you." Nowhere does it mention that the system requires the committee list their own achievements, and if people could do that, it would be so easy to abuse (i.e. lie and put in stuff you haven't done) that it would defeat the purpose of listing achievements in the first place.

Hikki's the historian. It's his job to input the records, milestones, achievements, etc. That's why he's the one that's being pointed out as having not putting his own achievements in.

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

No no, I think you were right the first time. He was definitely accusing "the committee" -- or more specifically the leader of the committee who came up with that slogan of slacking off. It was a direct attack against her leadership abilities; that's how he meant it, and that's how she took it. Now, whether everyone else understood this isn't clear, because they would have to be as perceptive as he is of what was really going on.

Definitely this. He was 100% calling out the chairman. And I'm pretty sure most of the people there were aware of this as well. They'd have to be blind and stupid not to.

[Puu]

Originally Posted by GDB

Definitely this. He was 100% calling out the chairman. And I'm pretty sure most of the people there were aware of this as well. They'd have to be blind and stupid not to.

I agree with this. A few scenes before that scene, wasn't the meeting room almost always vacant save for a few people? It'd be hard for them not to think he's referring to the Chairman until he began to relate it to himself. And even after that, they'd think Hachiman said something stupid for his own benefit but easily connect it with the Chairman's committee slacking off.

It's like when someone says something unrelated to a matter but you connect it to it anyway. I think Hachiman knew full well that a.) the Chairman would realize anyway that he meant her and b.) some people will definitely realize the connection even if acts like he's saying it only out of "selfishness".

[amrul]

Spoiler for eps 12:

hikki is giving the final blow, and it's hayato the one who snapped (well he never like hachiman's approach in the first place) . Man, he shouldn't have come in the first place. Now hachiman become the school's public enemy (at least that's what yukino called him). Need to wait for the subs for more comprehensive understanding though.

After the undoukai (13th) episode, I will really miss this anime, probably to the point of improving my Japanese well enough to read the novels

[moridin84]

Most of the "damage" was done to Sagami the moment he came up with his slogan. Everyone single person in the room knew exactly what he meant. Everyone.

Him taking the blame afterwards just allowed the chairman to save some face so the things could go on smoothly.

[Okashira]

Gah, what!?

Spoiler for Watches episode 12:

- Delinquent girl wasn't invited (spoken roles taken out).
- They took out Hikigaya's evil laugh.
- They harshly shortened Haru-chan's & Shizu-chan's speeches (and Yukino didn't heard half of it (wasn't a part directed to her?).
- They kinda modified the end and implied that Yukinoshita & Hikki eventually join the celebration (they didn't).

As wrong as I expected.