Attack on Titan - Spoilers & Speculation (for experienced Titan Attackers only)

[Sasukeuzi]

Originally Posted by Raviel

That seems like a pretty cruel point to end the series (not like the animators have much choice though) I mean that's when all the interesting bits of the series start to come up.

Yeah I'd love for them to end the season with

Spoiler for manga spoiler:

Reiner and Bertholdt revealing their secret identities.

But then that'd leave almost nothing, and we'd have to wait 2 years for another season ;_;
The crystallization part does seem like a 2nd best choice though.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by Sasukeuzi

Yeah I'd love for them to end the season with

Spoiler for manga spoiler:

Reiner and Bertholdt revealing their secret identities.

But then that'd leave almost nothing, and we'd have to wait 2 years for another season ;_;
The crystallization part does seem like a 2nd best choice though.

It would have been impossible for them to reach that point unless they rushed a lot. The Ape titan arc needs at least one coer to do well.

[Mairsile]

Regarding Ymir's age, I believe she is the eldest. I say that because there's a good deal of Norse mythology in this series and Ymir was the first juton.

[Haigon]

Originally Posted by Mairsile

Regarding Ymir's age, I believe she is the eldest. I say that because there's a good deal of Norse mythology in this series and Ymir was the first juton.

Ymir's corpse also was used to create Midgard.

Inb4, Ymir dies to create a better world.

[Breimoon]

Originally Posted by Mairsile

Regarding Ymir's age, I believe she is the eldest. I say that because there's a good deal of Norse mythology in this series and Ymir was the first juton.

about that we arleady knew she was the eldest. The only one who could be older may be Annie since she seems to be the one who can control better the titan side and even gather them.

[Randrak42]

Just saw 17....why doesn't the anime just put up a written explanation of the plot and the answer to every question after the episode? Because they are already pretty much giving away everything to the anime viewers...

Seriously, back when this chapter came out in the manga you barely read any theories on who the female titan was yet in page two of the episode thread they already have a theory that Reiner is the Armored titan xD
It's like the anime is spoon feeding the viewers.

[LuxorMG]

^ Yes they are, but it might just be the difference in medium. The manga is black and white so we had no indication of hair/eye color; the fighting style isn't evident with static panels; the steam effects are very vague and there definitely is no sound as an extra hint.

Or you know... maybe everyone's just been that badly spoiled. xD

[Randrak42]

Originally Posted by LuxorMG

^ Yes they are, but it might just be the difference in medium. The manga is black and white so we had no indication of hair/eye color; the fighting style isn't evident with static panels; the steam effects are very vague and there definitely is no sound as an extra hint.

Or you know...maybe everyone's just been that badly spoiled. xD

While that may be true, the anime guys could have easily corrected some of that with with shadows and other effects.

And yea...wouldn't surprise me if some of the "anime only" guys are just manga or spoiled guys claiming they have super accurate predictions.

[Mairsile]

The anime made it quite obvious considering how they [Annie and Reiner] were depicted. The second ED, starting in episode 14, gave away a lot as well.

With that said, I already have a strong suspicion as to the identity of the Ape Titan based on the manga drawings alone - though other references, as well as the trend of Titans resembling an already-known character, support my conclusion.

[LuxorMG]

You have a guess on who the Ape Titan is? Do share, because I always thought he was a new character since he didn't seem to know beforehand that people started using 3D maneuver gear.

Originally Posted by Mairsile

Regarding Ymir's age, I believe she is the eldest. I say that because there's a good deal of Norse mythology in this series and Ymir was the first juton.

Yes, she probably is the eldest (unless some shifter spent MORE than 60 years outside). Did you notice something interesting from Norse mythology yet?

[Beaver897]

You know, it doesn't really matter if the anime's more transparent than the manga in terms of foreshadowing. I'm pretty sure that the Female Titan's identity wasn't the biggest surprise for the readers. If it was, then why did Isayama have to draw it so similarly (especially when it was adapted in the anime) to a certain character when he just could've gone for a more outlandish look?

I think that the biggest surprise was set for Armin, who had already deduced that it was a Titan Shifter from the get-go and already made a process of elimination of who the Titan could be. He only confirmed it by making the Titan react to his extremely personal and contextual lines of Eren being killed, deducting that the Titan definitely knows that Armin is talking about Eren, in which only a few people he knows could possibly figure out. I would normally assume that the Female Titan was drawn so similarly to Annie so that Armin would have a reasonable basis of who he has suspicions on without making him look like he's reading in much more deeply than a character usually can. If it looked like a bald, no-skin 15m Titan with boobs, then I would have a hard time believing that he'd be able to put the pieces together and know what words to say to rile the Titan up and distract it during the latest episode.

So all in all, the reveal was pretty much more important for Armin as a character than it is to us as an audience. They probably wouldn't be surprised that all of these theories are already being formed here.

[Kiltias]

Originally Posted by Haigon

Ymir's corpse also was used to create Midgard.

Inb4, Ymir dies to create a better world.

Ymir's Flesh and Blood make up Midgard.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/own+flesh+and+blood

own flesh and blood Fig. one's own relatives; one's own kin.

Look at the walls.

[Mairsile]

Originally Posted by LuxorMG

You have a guess on who the Ape Titan is? Do share, because I always thought he was a new character since he didn't seem to know beforehand that people started using 3D maneuver gear.



Yes, she probably is the eldest (unless some shifter spent MORE than 60 years outside). Did you notice something interesting from Norse mythology yet?

The story itself is loosely based on Midgard's creation and the Jutons (Giants) in Norse mythology.

The Gods created Midgard by defeating Ymir, the first Juton, and used his body to give it's initial shape. To protect Midgard and humankind from the Jutons, they constructed fences around Midgard using his eyebrows. The area within the fence was considered Innangard (which was orderly and civilized) whereas the outer area was Utangard (a place of chaos).

Jutenheim, the land of the Giants, is in Utangard. Within Utangard, stood Castle Utgard, a stronghold of the Jutons.

The name Juton had an original meaning of "man-eater." The Juton had a semi-hostile relationship with the Gods thus engaged in battle, friendly contests and even marriage with them.

As to my speculation of the Ape Titan...

Spoiler:

The trend has been each Titan is revealed to be an existing character. If the author continues this path, then there is one character who fits the description - Grisha Jeager, Eren's father.

We know the Ape Titan is highly intelligent since he's capable of human language. It's also suspected he engaged in human experiments by changing the villagers in Connie's hometown into Titans - that would require scientific knowledge and the means to do so. Furthermore, each Titan resembles their human form to a recognizable degree (some more so than others). With that said, the Ape Titan seems to exude the face of Grisha and his body hair is likely due to him having long hair as a human. Finally, Grisha has been absent for five years.

His unawareness of the 3D gear, in my opinion, is likely due to amnesia similar to what's been observed with Eren, Reiner, Bertholdt and Ymir after becoming Titans. Amnesia is one of the most common themes in Japanese literary works and, in SnK, is a symbolic representation of humans relinquishing part of their humanity to become Titans. Thus, I believe it's fair to say partial memory loss occurs among all artificial Titans.

Of course, there is the possibility he isn't Eren's father but that's just my conclusion.

[hyper_oats]

Originally Posted by Randrak42

Just saw 17....why doesn't the anime just put up a written explanation of the plot and the answer to every question after the episode? Because they are already pretty much giving away everything to the anime viewers...

Seriously, back when this chapter came out in the manga you barely read any theories on who the female titan was yet in page two of the episode thread they already have a theory that Reiner is the Armored titan xD
It's like the anime is spoon feeding the viewers.

The blond hair and blue eyes definitely didn't fool anyone, that's for sure. They could have made it much more ambiguous by going for something like white instead. Another big issue is that they made the armored titan much more pronounced in the anime when he was only there for a panel or two in the manga.

Hell, when I first read SnK, I didn't even remember there was an armored titan. They also messed up the scene with Reiner getting crushed, by showing him actually getting crushed. Also, the OP and ED placed too much emphasis on the top 10 and Ymir. I barely remembered any of them aside from the MCs since they were shown as background characters and I thought they were unimportant.

I'm very glad I found the manga way before the anime, the latter's making it too obvious.

[LuxorMG]

Originally Posted by Mairsile

The story itself is loosely based on Midgard's creation and the Jutons (Giants) in Norse mythology.

The Gods created Midgard by defeating Ymir, the first Juton, and used his body to give it's initial shape. To protect Midgard and humankind from the Jutons, they constructed fences around Midgard using his eyebrows. The area within the fence was considered Innangard (which was orderly and civilized) whereas the outer area was Utangard (a place of chaos).

Jutenheim, the land of the Giants, is in Utangard. Within Utangard, stood Castle Utgard, a stronghold of the Jutons.

The name Juton had an original meaning of "man-eater." The Juton had a semi-hostile relationship with the Gods thus engaged in battle, friendly contests and even marriage with them.

As to my speculation of the Ape Titan...

Spoiler:

The trend has been each Titan is revealed to be an existing character. If the author continues this path, then there is one character who fits the description - Grisha Jeager, Eren's father.

We know the Ape Titan is highly intelligent since he's capable of human language. It's also suspected he engaged in human experiments by changing the villagers in Connie's hometown into Titans - that would require scientific knowledge and the means to do so. Furthermore, each Titan resembles their human form to a recognizable degree (some more so than others). With that said, the Ape Titan seems to exude the face of Grisha and his body hair is likely due to him having long hair as a human. Finally, Grisha has been absent for five years.

His unawareness of the 3D gear, in my opinion, is likely due to amnesia similar to what's been observed with Eren, Reiner, Bertholdt and Ymir after becoming Titans. Amnesia is one of the most common themes in Japanese literary works and, in SnK, is a symbolic representation of humans relinquishing part of their humanity to become Titans. Thus, I believe it's fair to say partial memory loss occurs among all artificial Titans.

Of course, there is the possibility he isn't Eren's father but that's just my conclusion.

I like what you've written, so I'm going to keep this in mind. Thanks!

[Harangue]

Originally Posted by Randrak42

Just saw 17....why doesn't the anime just put up a written explanation of the plot and the answer to every question after the episode? Because they are already pretty much giving away everything to the anime viewers...

Seriously, back when this chapter came out in the manga you barely read any theories on who the female titan was yet in page two of the episode thread they already have a theory that Reiner is the Armored titan xD
It's like the anime is spoon feeding the viewers.

It's incredibly easy to figure out. Reiner and the Armored look almost exactly alike when compared side-by-side, even down to the same haircut and facial structure. About the only thing that his Titan appearance sets apart would be that his torso is built more like a slab than his human body.

I'm also unsure of how people couldn't have guessed Eren was the Titan in his first appearance, either. I mean, he's the main character, it's not like they're going to just murder him not even a fourth into the season, and suddenly after his "death" this strange new Titan shows up.

All I'm left to really guess at now is the Behemoth's true identity, which I get the feeling is the leader of the Corps.

[Jun pls]

Well, while I have to agree with Randrak42 about Reiner, I can't say the same for female titan.
When I was reading the manga back then the first thing that popped to my mind was Annie because of hair and because she spared Armin's life.

That Eren was the titan back then was pretty obvious, at least I think so.

I didn't spoil myself while reading the manga, so I never would've thought those two guys were Armored+Behemoth, that was quite a surprise.
Though I guess thinking back there were lots of hints xD

[jeroz]

People had already been fed the ideas that there are multiple shape shifters within the squad early in the series by assholes, the idea was a very foreign when the chapters came out.

[Sasukeuzi]

Originally Posted by Harangue

I'm also unsure of how people couldn't have guessed Eren was the Titan in his first appearance, either. I mean, he's the main character, it's not like they're going to just murder him not even a fourth into the season, and suddenly after his "death" this strange new Titan shows up.

All I'm left to really guess at now is the Behemoth's true identity, which I get the feeling is the leader of the Corps.

I think a lot of people were attracted to this anime at first, because the main character was killed off. BUT NOPE.
Anyways you think Monkey Troubles is the leader of Corps? He didn't know what 3DMG was though.

[Mairsile]

Originally Posted by Sasukeuzi

I think a lot of people were attracted to this anime at first, because the main character was killed off. BUT NOPE.
Anyways you think Monkey Troubles is the leader of Corps? He didn't know what 3DMG was though.

I posted my thoughts above regarding the Ape Titan. Realize, though, that amnesia seems to be common with the artificial Titans such as Eren, Reiner, Bertholdt and Ymir. So it's possible the Ape Titan is someone from inside the Walls but the 3D gear isn't something he remembered due to partial memory loss.