2013-11-17, 14:16 | Link #1821 |
失礼、噛みました
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Arena 01: 綾崎ハヤテ 葉月渚 桐ヶ谷和人 [キズナ・アスティン(ハンプニー・ハンバート)] [狡噛慎也] 黒崎一護
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2013-11-17, 14:45 | Link #1822 | |||
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2. So I see. However, I still stand by my stance that SDO affects more than just one character. Think of it as splash damage, if you will. 3. If you say so. Personally I feel that a long-standing Saimoe competition that has completely thrown away what moe is, has lost its meaning. I don't know about Korea's Best Moe Tournament, but Japan's AST failed for completely different reasons (said reasons being sudden blocking of IP addresses, implementing of new rules halfway throughout the tournament, lack of transparency, perceived biasedness, etc). 4. Best way to do this would be to give the losing girl fractional points based on the absolute total number of votes she got. Fraction to be decided at a later point in time. This way, we can reward losers and motivate them to stay, and at the same time we can motivate winners to vote to ensure their victory; a win-win situation, no? 5. All I can say is, you wanted the regular voters, you got them. 6. Saying that the SDO margin will be made up by the voting consistency is no reason for lowering SDO for a character that is clearly more deserving. Not only does this damage the integrity of SDO, because the girl who is clearly more deserving to win has a lower SDO than the girl less deserving to win. This is the only such anomaly; everywhere else the girl has a higher SDO the more deserving she's seen to win. Furthermore, lowering SDO like so will disadvantage a character against another who has a better win percentage, more so than it already does. Also, why SDO/3 and not SDO/total number of matches for that period? The latter makes more sense to the layman at first glance. SDO/3 will need some explaining. Finally, the main problem is why SDO is being incorporated into the necklace match in the first place. 7. I have no problems with the 1 necklace per year. It awards more than one girl, after all. Actually, 2 necklaces per year is fine with me too. The line should be drawn at half the necklaces available for the year, though. Or the square root of the number of necklaces available. Or something. Or we could try something like: if a character wins more than one necklace in a single year, the year after achieving that feat she's not allowed to win the same necklaces she won last year. So suppose Kanade won those 4 necklaces (Aquamarine, Amethyst, Ruby, Emerald) this year, and next year she's eligible again, and we have 5 necklaces again. She'll only be eligible for Topaz then. And like I said earlier, the luck factor for VD/VF can be mitigated like so: Quote:
9. If the votes were legit, then they fully deserved to win. The only thing I'd worry about would be my own faction, because I would be asking, why can't we be as coordinated as them? Quote:
Also, what is the predicted probability of the fluctuations being serious enough to cause upsets? Attributing upsets to random fluctuations without giving probabilities for them is another way to look biased.
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2013-11-17, 15:54 | Link #1823 |
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2013-11-17, 17:02 | Link #1824 |
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2013-11-17, 18:20 | Link #1825 |
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2013-11-17, 18:27 | Link #1826 |
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@wontaek - I just want to thank you for the very in-depth and comprehensive explanations. At the very least, I now see where the ISML Staff is coming from on some things that raised eyebrows for me.
I'm going to take some time to fully digest and think on what you wrote. After that, I may reply to it. But in any event, thanks for the informative reply.
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2013-11-17, 19:57 | Link #1827 | |
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Some manipulation was attempted, since we saw many people posting " Vote for BBB so CCC can win the necklace " type of writings. My big point is that only case these manipulation succeeded was in case the character's strength was changing for other reasons. When you have a character on the rise being cheered on by people with "ulterior motives", or when a character on a decline happens to meet another character that is important to certain faction's goal, these rise or decline in strength becomes much more accentuated. So, it is very likely that these matches were ripe for an upset to start with, and some faction's push for manipulation helped a little. No matter which system is used, you will have cases where certain faction will attempt to manipulate the standing. That happens in real world sports as well. Any sizable faction will have some success at the manipulation no matter what kind of system you use. My big point is that currently, ISML has diverse enough groups of voters and factions, that most of these attempts fail unless it "luckily" involves characters already in decline or ascent . Most of the surprise upsets, in hind sight, and considering what transpired in period before and after the period in question, has almost always turned out to be something that was likely to happen. When you look at all the data, from 2008 to now, you will see that SDO manipulation attempts to have hard time overcoming random noise level of 3~5%, and often, even when it does, the random makes them lose whatever gain they got in the next few matches. Do consider that most of the listed as making the upset had very hard time winning other matches. If this was 2009 Rozen faction or 2010 Kugimiya factions pulling the strings, these characters should have went 5 - 2 and gave big boost to the tier 1( or 2) character of interest. You have to wonder if such manipulation was the reason when that the one who pulled the upset went 1 - 6 in the period, which isn't helping much. Now as for probability of upset , this is where TRE and I might differ. I do NOT know what is the level of uncertainty TRE thinks his model have. The gold standard will be Gallup level which is 95% likely that the result will be in 3.4% of the predicted results. If we are talking 7 out of 7 * 36 matches, then 1 - (1/36) = 97.2% thus even Gallup people will quote more than 3.4% of level of uncertainty when you cherry picked 1/36 of all the matches. My experience with modeling suggests upset probability that can be simulated by assuming standard deviation value of 3% and then finding the Z-score, thus associated probability for it, in most cases related to ISML. Using STDEV value of 3%, chance that the prediction will be off by 6% or more is P ( abs (Z) > abs(+-6/3) = 2 ) which would be 2*0.0228 = 0.0456 = 4.56% . So such thing is expected to happen in one out of every 22 matches. ------------------------ Ok, My statements in the last paragraph has bugged me, myself, and I think I know a very good way to DISPROVE it. I like to ask you to compile the deviation between actual and TRE's predictions. Please keep the sign so if he predicted 51% but the actual was 48%, that should be -3% while if the actual was 54%, then it should be recorded as +3% . Please compile these values for at least all the rounds 2013 except for the Emerald. I would really prefer it if you would also compile values from the 2013 prelim, postseason and all the 2012 as well, since more data point likely would mean more accurate result. Then please tell us the (1) mean (2) STDEV (3) Median (4) 10th percentile value, and (5) 90th percentile value. Once we get these numbers, I can tell you much better number for the probability that TRE's prediction was off by 6 or more percent. If STDEV and/or 10th/90th percentile value strongly suggest deviation of 6% to be something extremely unlikely, then at least for that match, we have valid ground to suspect that some manipulation is played major role in causing this deviation.
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2013-11-18, 00:02 | Link #1828 |
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*DISCLAIMER: All males votes are made on the awesomeness factor; female votes hold to the baseline standard
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2013-11-18, 04:35 | Link #1829 |
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2013-11-18, 09:20 | Link #1832 |
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I don't know anything about Touhou... 030
ARENA 01: [Ayasaki Hayate] Hazuki Nagisa Kirigaya Kazuto [Kizuna Astin (Hampnie Hambart)] Kōgami Shin'ya Kurosaki Ichigo ARENA 02: Akashi Seijūrō [Hinata Hideki] [Kinoshita Hideyoshi] Kuchiki Byakuya Mashima Taichi Ōma Shū ARENA 03: Fushimi Saruhiko Hatake Kakashi [Kida Masaomi] [Lelouch Lamperouge] Natsume Takashi Sebastian Michaelis ARENA 04: Ciel Phantomhive Emiya Kiritsugu [Kanda Sorata] Kurapika Oreki Hōtarō [Otonashi Io] ARENA 05: Aomine Daiki [Hasebe Yutaka] Killua Zoldyck [Maō Sadao] Okita Sōgo Otonashi Yuzuru ARENA 06: Eren Yeager Himuro Tatsuya [Kamijō Tōma] [Togashi Yūta] Xerxes Break Yokodera Yōto ARENA 07: [Akasaka Ryūnosuke] Fuwa Mahiro Gin Iskandar [Katsuragi Keima] Kise Ryōta ARENA 08: Araragi Koyomi [Chrom] Kagami Taiga [Kōsaka Kyōsuke] Okabe Rintarō Yatogami Kurō ...And Chrom is so out-of-place
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2013-11-19, 00:14 | Link #1833 |
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The returnees appear to be back on top form along with some promising newcomers. Kirito looks as strong as ever and ready to defend his title. Nagisa's performance here is pretty lackluster so Free doesn't looks like it'll be close to living up to the hype. Hideyoshi looks good and Hinata does better than I expected. Bleach characters have seen better days, though. Strong performance by Lelouch who wants his crown back. Kakashi does surprisingly well here. Sorata looks better than last year but still can't compete with Hotoro. Also a good performance by Sadao but similarly can't compete with Yuzuru. A pretty disappointing performance by Yuuta. It's not just he lost to Yeager who I think is pretty strong but he's not far ahead of Touma. It seems like Touma doesn't have much luck this time around. Being strong enough to get that close to Yuuta might have let him advance in a more normal group but he drew a bad group and doesn't advance. Similar to Sorata, Ryuunosuke has a good performance but also similarly can't compete with Keima who is another returner who looks to be in good shape. Poor Chrom. I'm happy to see he got in but this is not a contest he'll do well in since he doesn't have an anime. Saruhiko may have done terribly but Kurou is a different story. He edges past Kyouma and Kyousuke to advance. You can't help but wonder if Kyousuke would have advance here if he picked the "right" girl...
The Touhou is pretty far out there from what I know about the Touhou fanbase. Although my experience is mostly North American centric with a bit of Japanese knowledge. Reimu stomping everyone is expected. Meiling getting killed by Parsee is pretty out there. Rumia is hard to place. She seems a bit high but I wouldn't see it's too crazy for her to be where she is. Marisa and Cirno being neck isn't too far off expectations. I think Marisa is normally a more clearly the second most popular behind Reimu but she did lose to Alice that one time in ISML. Sakuya followed by Reisen also feels about right. Nue did surprisingly well, though. She got pretty close to beating Reisen. Remelia and Yuyuko and first and second once again feels about right. Byakuren did a lot better than I thought she would. I guess I should have put more faith in the Touhou 12 characters even if they weren't quite strong enough to advance.
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2013-11-19, 03:30 | Link #1834 | |||
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So, looking at both before and after, what were the full details for each individual match? Quote:
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Unless they calculate it differently from the impression I have?
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2013-11-19, 06:34 | Link #1838 | |
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2. In ISML, it is rare to have a character's strength level change by the week. It usually takes at least a month for any change to fully manifest itself. So, if a character was weak in period 3 but strong in period 5, then at period 4, that character would be in some sort of Schrodinger's Cat like situation where she would be in weak/strong overlap case, where the opponent and the situation may make her look very weak in one match while rather strong in another. To push Quantum Mechanics/Logistic Regression talk a bit further, you can say a character's expectation value for her strength is slowly changing, but it is hard to know that while the change is occurring, because the wave-function collapse/expression of result is bit polar, either definitely weak or strong. ( Note: You can consider every match to be case for wave function to collapse/results to be expressed, thus you might have series of alternating cases of strong and weak while things are in transition ) You have to look at the whole thing in long term to understand that the expected value was in transition. 3. In case of TRE's prediction, what I want is the residues = actual percentage - predicted percentage. For example, if TRE predicted 54% for character A, but that character got 48%, then the residue from that match would be 48 - 54 = -6% . For Regular season matches in 2013, TRE posted 19 predictions in each round for the purpose of Fantasy games. That means, excluding Emerald period, since Emerald period is what we really want to investigate, our control sample is the 4 other period * 7 rounds * 19 predictions = 532 predictions which can be compared to the actual results. This means we can have 532 residue values calculated as Actual - Predicted. For those 532, I want to know the (1) mean, (2) STDEV (3) Median ( 4 ) The 10th percentile ( or 25th percentile if you want more text book stem-leaf plot ) , and (5) the 90th percentile ( or 75th ) value. Once we have these 5 values, we can then assign probability for each of the 7 events in the question that also have TRE's posted predicted value. If (1) - (5) shows that whole thing can be generalized as normal distribution and (2) STDEV value indeed is near 3% as per my guess, then we can definitely claim the deviation of 6% is something you expect to see once or twice every match day, thus it is more likely that Mikoto was unlucky compared to any large group of people deliberately working to sink Mikoto's chances. This statement can be disproved if (2) STDEV value is less than 2% ( Because that will make P ( |Z| > | observed value | ) too small ) or while the whole distribution can't be generalized as normal distribution, deviation greater than 6% still was something very unlikely in those 532 data points. 4. Faction campaigning to have people vote in a way they like isn't breaking any rules. Campaigning is encouraged. If they use computers to break the 1 vote 1 person principle, then they would be breaking rules. We hope that for all the votes, there exists an unique individual that can say " Yes, I knew I would be voting for AAA,......., ZZZ when my vote was submitted. " ------------------------- After typing all this, I feel like playing the role of Bohr, Heisenberg, Schrodinger, and Born against Einstein in insisting there is no Hidden Variable in QM and that "god does play dice with ISML world" . Heck, I can stretch quantum entanglement analogy to some ISML situation, though they aren't that interesting here.
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2013-11-19, 10:16 | Link #1839 |
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ARENA 01: Gilgamesh Hijirikawa Masato [Ledo] Makishima Shōgo Matsuoka Rin [Yagami Light]
ARENA 02: Akabane Raishin Alibaba Saluja Orihara Izaya Sakurada Jun Tachibana Makoto Uchiha Itachi ARENA 03: Alis Color Hijikata Toshirō [Kyon] Nanase Haruka Nase Hiroomi Togami Byakuya ARENA 04: Edward Elric Itsuka Shidō Mikoshiba Seijūrō Naegi Makoto Natsume Kyōsuke Okumura Rin ARENA 05: Ichinose Tokiya L-elf Karlstein [Naoe Riki] [Okazaki Tomoya] Sakamaki Izayoi Sakata Gintoki ARENA 06: Doraemon [Hikigaya Hachiman] L Lawliet Satō Jun [Takasu Ryūji] Takigawa Yoshino ARENA 07: Aikawa Ayumu Levi Roy Mustang Sakishima Hikari Tsukiyomi Ikuto Usui Takumi ARENA 08: Accelerator Heiwajima Shizuo Komaeda Nagito Kuroko Tetsuya Ryūgazaki Rei Sakamaki Ayato ARENA 09: Toramaru Shō Shameimaru Aya Reiuji Utsuho [Mystia Lorelei] Hinanawi Tenshi [Alice Margatroid] ARENA 10: Tatara Kogasa [Shiki Eiki Yamaxanadu] [Patchouli Knowledge] Kamishirasawa Keine Flandre Scarlet Chen ARENA 11: Yakumo Ran [Kochiya Sanae] Kaenbyō Rin Ibuki Suika [Ibaraki Kasen] Fujiwara no Mokō ARENA 12: [Yakumo Yukari] [Yagokoro Eirin] Nagae Iku Konpaku Yōmu Kawashiro Nitori Inubashiri Momiji Thought about voting for Kyōsuke, but Refain turned me away from voting for any of the LB males besides Rikki.
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