Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[iCloudz7]

anyone else thinks that Tatsuya is forming his own unit in case the 101 or the yotsuba turn against him? Because he wouldnt do anything if Miyuki or him were in danger... So the only thing i can imagine is that his helping them out to gain some loyalty ...

[Breimoon]

He still has feelings, it is just that they are not that strong. What you said may be a part of the reason but he still has a human couscience

[willx]

Originally Posted by Jirachier

Any idea what that meant ?

Actually, if you think about how Tatsuya's magic works and how they say again and again that it is not affected by physical distance or physical barriers ..

I think that he technically could have targeted Tomitsuka from the "IDEA" and ignored the psion armor and just disintegrated him with passing through the psions surrounding him. That's the way I thought about it .. after all when he was decomposing the flag that nuked the Great Asian Alliance fleet, he was targeting it and affecting it through the "IDEA" and not any sort of physical linear perspective.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by nosaer

Hattori lost to Tatsuya in like 5 seconds. Kirihara was subdued in similar fashion. To say that someone who forced tatsuya to fight him for over 10 minutes in close quarters wasn't a challenge seems wrong to me. also we weren't privy to Tatsuya's thoughts during the match. mainly just Tomitsuka's. its possible that if he didn't use self marionette then the stalemate would have lasted longer and possibly lead to an alternate conclusion. I actually think Tomitsuka could be a problem for someone like tatsuya who can't use phenomena altering magic.

I have to disagree.
Although Tomisuka lasts longer than both the other two but the main reason is that his magic sacrifices offensive power for more defensive capability when compared to Hattori and Kirihara.

Moreover, Hattori got supprised and Kirihara had to deal with Tatsuya's martial art, two things did not happen in this fight.

Beside Tatsuya already has a killer move against Tomisuka's armor ,which I quoted in the post above.

If it is a real fight, Tatsuya doesn't even need to use Psion bullet: He just has to use his martial art as offensive tool (Tomisuka armor is useless against physical) and his Gram demolition to deny offensive spells coming from Tomit.
Basically, both can't use magic against each others and it comes down to martial arts. And Tomit's magic martial art is obivously inferior and reminds me of magic kendo club members in volume one.
Although to his credit, he is better than those club members that he BARELY landed ONE hit on Tats with his ultimate. Something those club members could not do.

Originally Posted by willx

Actually, if you think about how Tatsuya's magic works and how they say again and again that it is not affected by physical distance or physical barriers ..

I think that he technically could have targeted Tomitsuka from the "IDEA" and ignored the psion armor and just disintegrated him with passing through the psions surrounding him. That's the way I thought about it .. after all when he was decomposing the flag that nuked the Great Asian Alliance fleet, he was targeting it and affecting it through the "IDEA" and not any sort of physical linear perspective.

I agree.
It basically means Tatsuya still did not use ESight as an offensive tool and remained it as a tool for researching and observing.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by willx

Actually, if you think about how Tatsuya's magic works and how they say again and again that it is not affected by physical distance or physical barriers ..

I think that he technically could have targeted Tomitsuka from the "IDEA" and ignored the psion armor and just disintegrated him with passing through the psions surrounding him. That's the way I thought about it .. after all when he was decomposing the flag that nuked the Great Asian Alliance fleet, he was targeting it and affecting it through the "IDEA" and not any sort of physical linear perspective.

Yeah the scene when tatsuya use MD on tomitsuka is weird.
Actually how this magic work ?
Can it pass through barrier like Phalanx ?

Originally Posted by bietchie11

Moreover, Hattori got supprised and Kirihara had to deal with Tatsuya's martial art, two things did not happen in this fight.

Emmmm no ?

Hattori ... Tatsuya move very fast + oscillation

Kirihara... Evade evade + oscillation

Tomitsuka ..... Move fast + evade + oscillation + elemental sight + gram dispersal + far strike.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Yeah the scene when tatsuya use MD on tomitsuka is weird.
Actually how this magic work ?
Can it pass through barrier like Phalanx ?



Emmmm no ?

Hattori ... Tatsuya move very fast + oscillation

Kirihara... Evade evade + oscillation

Tomitsuka ..... Move fast + evade + oscillation + elemental sight + gram dispersal + far strike.

Elemental sight: permernantly active. Only deactivated manually in a few occasion(only one in 9- school mentioned so far). That's the reason why Tatsuya can protect Miyuki from harm and detected Ono-sensei when she sneaked up on him.

Move fast+evade: whenever did he not use those move? He used it on magic kendo club on vol1 chap 4, too. Are they strong?

Oscilation: testing purpose.

Gram + far strike aka psion bullet: 2 killer move right there. Farstrike can penetrate and shred his armor even if it recovers to its complete state.
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Let me nitpick you a bit.
Kirihara: move in front of him-> cast jamming-> martial art.
No "evade, evade, oscilation".
You are probay so uninterested in Tatsuya kicking ass to not remember details to that degree

And using his ESight (IDEA stuffs) doesn't mean using MB. It only means bypassing and teleporting spells to where it needs to be.
Remember: he tested the properties of the armor, that's why he aimed Mist Dispersion at the armor it self. By using Esight, he is capable of teleporting it through stone wall and external parts and hit the INTERNAL parts of the gun in vol1. You can expect the same for Tomisuka armor. Only non systematic spell aka. Psion spell has physical trajectory and therefore blocked by the armor.

[BW95]

Originally Posted by bietchie11

Elemental sight: permernantly active. Only deactivated manually in a few occasion(only one in 9- school mentioned so far). That's the reason why Tatsuya can protect Miyuki from harm and detected Ono-sensei when she sneaked up on him.

Move fast+evade: whenever did he not use those move? He used it on magic kendo club on vol1 chap 4, too. Are they strong?

Oscilation: testing purpose.

Gram + far strike aka psion bullet: 2 killer move right there. Farstrike can penetrate and shred his armor even if it recovers to his complete state.

Let me nitpick you a bit.
Kirihara: move in front of him-> cast jamming-> martial art.
No "evade, evade, oscilation".

Where did it say that it was permanently active?

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by BW95

Where did it say that it was permanently active?

So how do you explain why he detected invinsible Ono Hakura even though he is not in combat =does not actively search for her?
Sorry, im using tablet so i won't quote for you.

Or how can he protect Miyuki if an supprise attack is commenced?

I hope you don't troll me and say :"magic did it"...
Oh wait, it does! XD

[BW95]

Originally Posted by bietchie11

So how do you explain why he detected invinsible Ono Hakura even though he is not in combat =does not actively search for her?

Or how can he protect Miyuki if an supprise attack is commenced?

I hope you don't troll me and say :"magic did it"...
Oh wait, it does! XD

If you're talking about the first time, I attributed it to his basic senses and Tatsuya stated that she wasn't even trying to conceal her presence in the first place.

As for Miyuki, he's just aware of her status and location due to the seal placed o both of them.

[hakazee]

Tatsuya's martial arts ?

The next blow was the real attack. Using his left palm, Tatsuya threw a palm strike at Tomitsuka. Takuma detected that some sort of magic was being held in his left hand.
Once again, Tatsuya displayed a different attack. This time, Tomitsuka adopted a defensive stance. Using the right arm wrapped in Contact-Type Gram Demolition, he blocked Tatsuya’s left palm holding Oscillation-Type Magic. In the face of a myriad different attacks, Tomitsuka only used one shield to continuously defend himself.
At this point, Tomitsuka’s left hand jabbed towards Tatsuya’s abdomen. Dodging made difficult because his earlier attack had been blocked, Tatsuya barely managed to slide across the blocking right arm.

Only Far Strike ?

Through “Elemental Sight”, Tatsuya understood this immediately. He also saw that this was an incredibly opportune moment for victory.
Tatsuya directed psions into his CAD. He was not pretending to use his CAD but actually using the CAD for Decomposition Magic. The magic he chose was “Gram Dispersal”.
Tatsuya pulled the trigger.
With the form in hand, Tatsuya’s magic that destroyed information shredded Tomitsuka’s armor.
The exposed fighting marionette closed in on Tatsuya.
Tatsuya held a concentrated block of psions in his left hand.
The solid block was so sturdy that it could have broken through Tomitsuka’s armor even if it had recovered.
This was not hiding his strength, but to achieve victory. Rather than choosing the magic he was most comfortable with but which still might be blocked by the incomplete armor, Tatsuya chose the magic bullet that would definitely pierce through the incomplete armor.

He need Gram dispersal to destroy the armor. Then he shot Far Strike.

I think you should re-read chapter 16 and think OBJECTIVELY.

[waffler]

after i read the chapter i just started wondering, how do tomitsuka match tatsuya , who trained under yakumo as his best student in martial arts? or was tatsuya not trying?

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by waffler

after i read the chapter i just started wondering, how do tomitsuka match tatsuya , who trained under yakumo as his best student in martial arts? or was tatsuya not trying?

Tatsuya only use one hand. Right hand held a CAD.
And the rules forbid him using CAD to hit tomitsuka.

[BW95]

Originally Posted by waffler

after i read the chapter i just started wondering, how do tomitsuka match tatsuya , who trained under yakumo as his best student in martial arts? or was tatsuya not trying?

Well, Tomitsuka had better technical skills in magic so he could use acceleration magic to augment his combat ability and Tatsuya had one hand full with his CAD, which he couldn't it Tomitsuka with. Besides, Tomitsuka also trained in magic martial arts since its the only thing he can really do. So it'd be pretty demeaning if he got wiped out too easily.

I just noticed. The author has attempted to replicate real life as close as possible, espically high school life and he's done an excellent job, but he's missed one thing. Field trips! Where are the field trips? I know Japanese schools have'em.

[Lucarion]

Originally Posted by iCloudz7

anyone else thinks that Tatsuya is forming his own unit in case the 101 or the yotsuba turn against him? Because he wouldnt do anything if Miyuki or him were in danger... So the only thing i can imagine is that his helping them out to gain some loyalty ...

Or he could take control of the 101st one day?^^ And march against Japan/Yotsuba/GAA ala Julius Caesar.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Tatsuya's martial arts ?

May be you are right and may be i'm bias here.

He used martial art but i believe it's more of the mean to transport the weapon (magic) and the actual weapon.
The rules forbid "physical contact" which limits martial art and "serverely damage your opponent" which limits any lethal magics which Tatsuya is best at. (Esight+ Decomposition teleporting combo for example.)

I mean: he is on par with the best CQC specialist Yakumo in term of technique and only loses out on term of experience, i expect he is more than capable of kicking Tomitsuka ass.

BUT THIS:

Originally Posted by hakazee

Only Far Strike ?


He need Gram dispersal to destroy the armor. Then he shot Far Strike.

I think you should re-read chapter 16 and think OBJECTIVELY.

"Tatsuya held a concentrated block of psions in his left hand.
The solid block was so sturdy that it could have broken through Tomitsuka’s armor even if it had recovered."

Even if it is recorvered = if Gram dispersal effect is gone, it still gonna shred through his armor.

i believe i was right.

[Wandering Soul]

Originally Posted by BW95

Well, Tomitsuka had better technical skills in magic so he could use acceleration magic to augment his combat ability and Tatsuya had one hand full with his CAD, which he couldn't it Tomitsuka with. Besides, Tomitsuka also trained in magic martial arts since its the only thing he can really do. So it'd be pretty demeaning if he got wiped out too easily.

I just noticed. The author has attempted to replicate real life as close as possible, espically high school life and he's done an excellent job, but he's missed one thing. Field trips! Where are the field trips? I know Japanese schools have'em.

Your right Tomitsuka barely gets the spotlight so it would be really insulting if one of the few times he does get it he doesn't get to show off his skills. Also where do you think they would go for a field trip? Maybe visit a research facility?

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by BW95

If you're talking about the first time, I attributed it to his basic senses and Tatsuya stated that she wasn't even trying to conceal her presence in the first place.

As for Miyuki, he's just aware of her status and location due to the seal placed o both of them.

"Oh, looks like I said something unnecessary. Anyways, let's set this aside for now. Haruka's cloaking was almost perfect, so there's no need to stress about that. If you really think that your skills have regressed, that is."
Haruka revealed a model perfunctory smile and accepted Yakumo's hinted gaze.
She shouldn't be able to get off that easily, nor should she have planned to do so in the first place.
Seeing Yakumo's smirking expression, this was probably how the two of them normally interacted.
"Tatsuya didn't detect your presence normally. He has a pair of special 'eyes' that are different from ours, so if you want to fool him, you need to disguise your presence rather than try to hide it."

Concrete proof that he used E-Sight.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by bietchie11

May be you are right and may be i'm bias here.

He used martial art but i believe it's more of the mean to transport the weapon (magic) and the actual weapon.
The rules forbid "physical contact" which limits martial art and "serverely damage your opponent" which limits any lethal magics which Tatsuya is best at. (Esight+ Decomposition teleporting combo for example.)

I mean: he is on par with the best CQC specialist Yakumo in term of technique and only loses out on term of experience, i expect he is more than capable of kicking Tomitsuka ass.

Actually we were comparing Hattori, Kirihara and Tomitsuka situation.
You say tatsuya use martial art, etc etc when he fight Hattori and Kirihara.
But not Tomitsuka.

Tomitsuka sure much stronger than Hattori or kirihara.

Originally Posted by bietchie11

BUT THIS:



"Tatsuya held a concentrated block of psions in his left hand.
The solid block was so sturdy that it could have broken through Tomitsuka’s armor even if it had recovered."

Even if it is recorvered = if Gram dispersal effect is gone, it still gonna shred through his armor.

i believe i was right.

And he still need Gram Dispersal to achive instant victory.

You know tatsuya want to finish that as soon as possible.

[BW95]

Originally Posted by the one above all

Your right Tomitsuka barely gets the spotlight so it would be really insulting if one of the few times he does get it he doesn't get to show off his skills. Also where do you think they would go for a field trip? Maybe visit a research facility?

Not an educational one. More like a leisure trip like Kyoto or some other scenic place. But now that I think about it, there's really no point considering the advancements in public transportation.

Originally Posted by bietchie11

Concrete proof that he used E-Sight.

That's still not proof that's permanently active regardless of his will.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Actually we were comparing Hattori, Kirihara and Tomitsuka situation.
You say tatsuya use martial art, etc etc when he fight Hattori and Kirihara.
But not Tomitsuka.

Tomitsuka sure much stronger than Hattori or kirihara.

To be fair, Hattori is not good at martial art. And he is supprised/ not prepare for the worst when fighting Tatsuya.
But he is good at range and ultility magic. Something Tomitsuka is bad at. It's hard to compare two of diferent kinds of magician. It's like comparing an artillery to a tank.

Kirihara is actually back-stabbed by Tatsuya while he was fighting Sayaka
And when fight Kirihara, Tatsuya is not restricted by the dueling rule "not using martial art to attack opponents".

=> he uses martial art as weapon vs Kirihara, not uses it as weapon when vs Hattori+Tomitsuka according to the duel's rules.

Anyway, i believe: it is too hasty to say he is better than the rest of the scrubs.

Originally Posted by hakazee

And he still need Gram Dispersal to achive instant victory.

You know tatsuya want to finish that as soon as possible.

True, i agree. I do think it need multiple Psion bullets to totally shredd it.
Compared to a single decomposition, it is less cost-effective.