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If China want to be friends with Taiwan, then the only way to do so is to permit its independence. Then we can be friends. And if China say "no, we rather kill you all instead", then there is no friendship to begin with. China's claim of Unification is that everything that is in Taiwan is China's. That Taiwanese people have no rights because only the Communist Party have power, and since there is no CCP in Taiwan the Taiwanese don't matter. Everything belong to China. That's not reunification of any sort.
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2014-02-12, 01:28 | Link #42 |
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Texas joined because it wanted to join. That was almost the point from the start without the US having to fight Mexico (at first) over it. After the annexation, then the US and Mexico went to war over the details of the border and other territories the US was trying to purchase in the West.
The main thing that held up the annexation for ten years was the issues of slavery and the balance of power in the US Congress. The independance of Texas was over slavery to begin with as Mexico outlawed slavery in the years after it managed to draw in Anglo settlers from the US south to Mexico's sparsely inhabited frontier. That hardly has a similar thing with the two Chinas.
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2014-02-12, 06:08 | Link #44 | |
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Sharing cultural/ethnic heritage does not entitle you to annex another nation, or are you saying China should also go around and annex every nation that has an ethnic Chinese population? Quote:
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For real, there are already “mainland brides”, but the kind of large-scale immigration that Esclair is predicting isn’t going to happen – there is no economic reason to do so, it’s not as if Taiwan has a booming economy that lacks young workers, it’s the other way around. Yea, as long as there is no epic economic collapse in China, I don't see the CCP going anywhere anytime soon. Last edited by kyp275; 2014-02-12 at 08:05. |
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2014-02-12, 14:07 | Link #48 | |
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On the other end of the scale, at this point I don't expect economic prosperity to cause CCP to democratise. If that didn't happen in the Ming Dynasty, it certainly isn't going to happen now.
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I find in my generation that people generally care less about politics and nationalism compared to their parents, and as long as they're making money it really doesn't matter what's going on at the top. It doesn't help that Corporatism has pretty much taken over and Corporations themselves generally tend to pursue profits over anything else. Also, regarding population, Taiwan, like all other first world nations, have a problem with declining birth rate and an aging elder population that creates a labor shortage in the long term: http://www.taiwaninsights.com/2013/0...ng-population/ Japan is ahead of the curve on this and they'll definitely be forced to re-examine their immigration policy within the next 10 years, which would probably serve as a guide for how Taiwan deals with this issue. |
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The primary, and overwhelming economic draw of China has always been, and will continue to be, the promise of a large market and cheap labor – though the latter is starting to shift elsewhere. Silly projects like the one above may make some headlines, but not much else. Quote:
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2014-02-12, 20:20 | Link #51 | |
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About resentment, sure there will be resentment toward the immigrant, but after 2-3 generation of immigration, can you really differentiate between taiwanese and mainland chinese anymore? Because they're both technically Chinese
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2014-02-12, 20:23 | Link #52 | |
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People in Taiwan don't magically become Chinese, if they aren't born in China. The people who call themselves Chinese are the ones who got assimilated by Taiwan, not the other way around. Chiang tried it already, but the Taiwanese identity survived their rule. There is nothing new with any of this, the formation of Taiwan as we know it was originally caused by an influx of people from China. Throwing more Chinese into Taiwan would change nothing. And "they are both technically Chinese" is only said by China. Much like Austrians are "technically German".
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2014-02-12, 21:04 | Link #53 | |
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Regardless, the growing interaction and interdependence between the Mainland and Taiwan is a positive thing, not only on the economic level but also on the socio-political level too. It improves the open-mindedness and inclusiveness of both sides, and I've seen this from personal experience. This is hardly a smooth or simple path (such things in life rarely are), but the process of interaction is itself a value, and ultimate success is when distinctions are immaterial and irrelevant and people can see each other as brothers, however hard it may be, and that others can benefit from the experience. Last edited by aldw; 2014-02-12 at 21:14. |
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1. Taiwan is an island, and China has never had the military capability to take it. 2. The United States has guaranteed the security of Taiwan. 3. China doesn't have any real interest in actually conquering Taiwan. China's leaders are counting on the increasing economic and cultural ties between the two countries to grow to the point that unification will come sooner or later.
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2014-02-12, 21:18 | Link #55 | |
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My point stands; if China want to be friends with Taiwan, they can start by allowing it to become independent. THEN we can be friends. No go? Then the deal's off. Brothers treat each other like brothers. China doe NOT treat Taiwan like a brother, and that's the end of that. It's what you do that counts, not mere words.
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2014-02-12, 22:26 | Link #57 | |
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I don't see any personal attack/name-calling, care to enlighten us the post that make the discussion not civil so far?(not trying being smart ass BTW, I genuinely ask so I won't overstep the boundary myself)
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2014-02-12, 22:55 | Link #59 | |
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Truth be told, I personally think Taiwan is better off as independent country right now. I'm just entering the discussion to exchange idea whether it's possible to "invade" a country by economic and immigration instead of the old way "join us or we'll shoot you"
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2014-02-12, 23:04 | Link #60 |
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For those who have been asking about what I was going by and what I was expecting it would be simplest to read this thread:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=122845 We expect such behavior regardless of topic. Again, as I mentioned earlier the topic of China and surrounding countries has been a flammable one for several months now. The reason not much has been seen that appears outright getting near the line or crossing it is because I have been editing the posts, and pretty strictly.
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