[PC] League of Legends

[Last Sinner]

I suppose it's for the mobility of Quickdraw, the relative tankiness, Smoke Grenade to handle the increasingly close range fights/kites and something with wave clear? I'm not convinced about Graves yet. Frankly, I'm ticked off the pros are refusing to acknowledge the positive changes to Miss Fortune. She is a real beast at the moment.

What I'm more interested in is what Riot have flagged as the next champion:

Spoiler for Next time, you get my back!:

Gragas's brother? Defender of Poros? Manliest champ to hit LoL? Whatever he is, I'm instabuying him the moment he goes live if he is an upcoming champ.

THIS is a man!

[Pocari_Sweat]

Problem with miss fortune, same as the problem with jinx - no mobility. There's a reason why Caitlyn and Lucian are the most contested ADC picks atm. 2nd tier picks are Sivir, Twitch and Jinx.

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by Pocari_Sweat

Problem with miss fortune, same as the problem with jinx - no mobility. There's a reason why Caitlyn and Lucian are the most contested ADC picks atm. 2nd tier picks are Sivir, Twitch and Jinx.

Korea has seen a lot of Twitch, Kog, and Jinx lately (notably Imp's pentakill on Jinx )

And mobility isn't the key reason. It's because of how safe and good both of them are at seiging relative to other ADCs on top of their mobility.

[Eisdrache]

Twitch, Kog and Jinx are all hyper carries.
Graves is just overall good (burst, dash, smoke).
Lucian and Cait have mobility and range/double shot.
MF? She's a lane bully but doesn't really add much more.

[Pocari_Sweat]

MF's ult after her rework actually does a lot of dmg now. More than twitch's ult during the early-mid game. But she does still fall off.

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Twitch, Kog and Jinx are all hyper carries.
Graves is just overall good (burst, dash, smoke).
Lucian and Cait have mobility and range/double shot.
MF? She's a lane bully but doesn't really add much more.

I would rate graves as overall mediocre, not great besides tankyness. Ezreal is just plain a better pick for the role outside of waveclear and is notable better at sieging than graves.

[Kafriel]

Originally Posted by Pocari_Sweat

MF's ult after her rework actually does a lot of dmg now. More than twitch's ult during the early-mid game. But she does still fall off.

IMO she's good at carrying the game; can farm and zone adequately (with the exception of hard counters) but her ult can make the most out of AoE CC skills (flash box/bullet time is the most recent I can remember, with her passive MS helping her walk around the baron pit to set it up with Thresh). In competitive matches though, I can only imagine triple doran's MF, courtesy of Genja shenanigans

[Last Sinner]

Just a lane bully??

Miss Fortune is one of the best lane/turret smashers. If you want someone to do a quick hit and run, she is amazing. Last game I played with her, I dared to sneak top with her in a crazy match that the other team went 5 mid in a perma-heal strat and was the weirdest match I'd ever been in. Pulled off a 90 second hit and run that netted inner turret, inhibitor turret, inhibitor and a nexus turret. Single-handedly swung the momentum of the game. Yes, MF is more vulnerable than some other carries. But if you're telling me Bullet Time and Double Up aren't decent siege weapons, you're dreaming. Furthermore, the changes to Bullet Time and more importantly, Impure Shots, allow her to stay up there for longer.

We'll see what happens after Riot gives Lucian a bit of a swipe. I doubt they're just going to let Lucian appear in nearly every single match for months on end after how much he's been spammed all split and particularly in these playoffs. Seeing AD people that can only play Lucian and maybe one other is getting stupid. Rekkles, Doublelift, Imp, Score, Raydere, Wildturtle - they certainly mix it up.

Friend linked me an interesting site that shows ranked stats on the Korean server.


And the major LoL sites are in agreeance Braum - aka the guy in Trials of the Poro - will be the next new champion. He is officially named in the NA forums. Supposedly he is based on the design of a proposed character called Angus from 2012. He is allegedly going to be pure tank. Confirmed he is man-mode to the max.

Most I've looked forward to a new champ since Jinx.

Edit - Hilarious that through the EU/NA splits, no one got a penta in the regular season, then come playoff time, suddenly 3 appear out of nowhere. Doublelift's on Jinx just now was quite impressive.

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

I would rate graves as overall mediocre, not great besides tankyness. Ezreal is just plain a better pick for the role outside of waveclear and is notable better at sieging than graves.

Why are you comparing Graves and Ezreal? They only thing they have in common is the dash/blink and you pick them with completely different comps.

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

Just a lane bully??

Miss Fortune is one of the best lane/turret smashers. If you want someone to do a quick hit and run, she is amazing.
[...]
Yes, MF is more vulnerable than some other carries. But if you're telling me Bullet Time and Double Up aren't decent siege weapons, you're dreaming. Furthermore, the changes to Bullet Time and more importantly, Impure Shots, allow her to stay up there for longer.

So basically she's a lane bully with some sieging added. With the current meta that puts a lot of emphasis on speed you better offer a lot to make up for having no escapes.

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Why are you comparing Graves and Ezreal? They only thing they have in common is the dash/blink and you pick them with completely different comps.

Both ults deal AoE damage.

Both are so called "AD caster" marksmans.

Both have AS steriods, but lowest tier base AS of Marksmen with low AS per level.

Both have escapes with similar ranges.

Both have low auto-attack range.

They're fairly similar champions, it is part of the reason that corki-graves-ezreal was the trinity of ADCs in late S2, and I feel Ezreal outclasses Grave, there is a reason Korea was running Ezreal still until fairly recently.

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

Both ults deal AoE damage.
Both are so called "AD caster" marksmans.
Both have AS steriods, but lowest tier base AS of Marksmen with low AS per level.
Both have escapes with similar ranges.
Both have low auto-attack range.

They're fairly similar champions, it is part of the reason that corki-graves-ezreal was the trinity of ADCs in late S2, and I feel Ezreal outclasses Grave, there is a reason Korea was running Ezreal still until fairly recently.

Graves ult isn't global, their steroids are quite different and no, Graves isn't an AD Caster. And if everything else fails, Graves has more damage. Regardless the argument that you pick them into completely different comps still stands.

[Eragon]

Guys, can you recommend a good jungle champion ?

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by Eragon

Guys, can you recommend a good jungle champion ?

For Feral Flare usage:
Yi
Xin
Udyr
Noct
Shyvana

For other usage:
Vi
Elise
Eve
Jarvan IV
Kha'Zix

[Eragon]

I have 4000 IP right now. Should I buy Noct or Shyv or wait for one of Vi, Elise and Kha

I don't have any runes.

[Pocari_Sweat]

Anyone who scales well with Attack Speed or have inbuilt attack speed steroids are good Feral Fire junglers. My opinion of the strongest are:

Xin Zhao
Nocturne
Warwick
Jax

Reason being in additon they can gank/pick off people out of position as well as farm.

Other champs that can work but have inferior ganks/picking people off out of position:

Master Yi
Tryndamere
Udyr
Trundle
Shyvana

[Eragon]

I guess I'll buy Noct then. Reminds of Specter from Dota.

[Pocari_Sweat]

Originally Posted by Eragon

I guess I'll buy Noct then. Reminds of Specter from Dota.

Spectre is a good comparison, although nocturne ult doesnt give vision to all enemies like spectre does. It does the opposite though by denying enemy champions of vision.

Nocturne is a midgame beast and is arguably the best jungler at picking off people out of position. He thrives in small skirmishes (1v1, 2v2 maybe 3v3) and is a good duellist in the mid levels. His core build is Feral flare or Lizard Elder + blade of the ruined king then builds tanky after that. Or skip the Blade if you are not doing well. He's not the best in straight up 5v5 teamfights so try to avoid them if you can.

[Eragon]

I'm in scrub tier. Proper 5 v 5 engagements are like 2 players (on either side) doing something and the rest randomly clicking everywhere (I'm exaggerating)

But yeah, ganking should be easy at my tier. Nobody wards, like ever.

[Last Sinner]

Friend of mine just reached Challenger on Oceania solo queue.

[Last Sinner]

Nien steps down from CLG