(L+CR) Ryuugajou Nanana no Maizoukin (Nanana's Buried Treasure)

[jeroz]

Originally Posted by king12354

The cues that Juugo picks up never seem to be explained.

what cues?

[yellowscarves]

Originally Posted by king12354

Is it me or does anyone else feel like they are missing part of the story? The cues that Juugo picks up never seem to be explained.

You mean like how Juugo seemed to recognize that arrow? I personally like an anime that assumes an intelligent audience.

[R.LocK]

Actually, need to pick up on cues. First arc showed that all important cues were fully on view. From Juugo's side, of course.

Spoiler:

Well, that missing person's going to be involved some way or other.
Too much attention on the arrow to go unnoticed.
Apology to Nanana?

[king12354]

Originally Posted by jeroz

what cues?

That arrow and when it looked like Juugo realizes something about Nanana after the trap said "You died" when they were playing a video game.

I don't mind it assuming an intelligent audience but I'm only watching once a week and I don't remember every detail from the previous episodes.

[Anime Online]

It's like one of those detective manga. A manga panel would show a somewhat innocuous scene of someone on a stepladder doing some shrubbery pruning. Then the detective would later proclaim that is evidence the gardener is afraid of heights and that ties him to the crime. And the reader would go "What?"

Sometimes, shows try to be too clever and ends up alienating the audience.

[Tenzen12]

For me it worked very well, I can't say I realised everything actualy not even most of it, but from retrospective everything makes sense and I only can blame own lack of insight instead of some kind of bad writting to not being able noticed it.

[cleo]

Originally Posted by king12354

That arrow and when it looked like Juugo realizes something about Nanana after the trap said "You died" when they were playing a video game.

I don't mind it assuming an intelligent audience but I'm only watching once a week and I don't remember every detail from the previous episodes.

Juugo's focus on that arrow was important, as he recognized it as part of Nanana's collection. That confirmed he already had knowledge about it before coming to the island, while he feigned ignorance.
As for the "You died": I think he froze as it was quite a thoughtless remark, and the situation could've turned rather painful. But Nanana could laugh about it, so he relaxed.

[jeroz]

Originally Posted by Anime Online

Sometimes, shows try to be too clever and ends up alienating the audience.

way better than another show which says "praise him for he's smart" while acting so friggin dumb all the time.

I like shows that have high rewatch value

[Arkeus]

Originally Posted by Anime Online

It's like one of those detective manga. A manga panel would show a somewhat innocuous scene of someone on a stepladder doing some shrubbery pruning. Then the detective would later proclaim that is evidence the gardener is afraid of heights and that ties him to the crime. And the reader would go "What?"

Sometimes, shows try to be too clever and ends up alienating the audience.

In this case, pretty much everything was already guessed at by some of the audience before their reveals though, so it's not like it was 'random'.

[HandofFate]

Nanana's Treasure 06 adventure was pretty short.
For a series with Nanana in it, she has very little screentime, and doesn't really do much to the plot other than just ghost around.

Guess its kind of like Index, where it has her name in it, but she doesn't really do anything beyond her first arc.

I like that this series is a mystery series after all. Instead of an endless "murder case" every episode, its trying to structure an story with "who's trying to steal what from who" all the time.

I do like how Juugo is suppose to be our point of view, but you can't always trust it because he's sketchy as hell, and we can't trust his reactions to be his real thoughts.

The way this series cuts off episodes at the end, and then starts the next episode on a scene that has nothing to do with what just happened is really disorientating, makes it feel like I always missed an episode.

Like Juugo last episode was like "sorry" And I thought "oh he's going to sell her videogames"
Then next episode just totally forgets about that and they're already on the trip, and Nanana is mad. Was this on purpose for us to think "oh he sold her videogames" for his money, so they can go "no, he got the money by selling the clues to the ruin ect?"

Now despite this episode with Juugo getting locked in the room, I wouldn't be surprised if next episode, it doesn't even address it, and Juugo is just in school or the clubroom on some random unspecified timeskip of a few days.

Are the LN chapters like this? Where it just stops suddenly off a line in a scene at the end of tha paragraph or chapter like a cliff-hanger, then next chapter just randomly jumps ahead a few days.

[Random Wanderer]

Hmm... they were kind of unclear on the source of Nanana's displeasure with Juugo. Well, no, not "kind of." We can guess at it, but we don't "know" anything. Did he sell some of her games and she's mad from that? Is she mad because he sold out the location of the treasure to Matsuri (very unlikely, given her attitude towards treasure hunting in the first place). Is she mad becasue he's essentially "betraying" the rest of the club? Is it something else?

At the end I'm going to assume Juugo's gift of pudding hasn't arrived yet, so that's why she shut him out of her territory (the area she's bound to) and was doing some pretty standard ghost-like tricks with EM-disruptions and such. I'm also assuming that the fake treasure was there because, at some point, Juugo had already been to those ruins and had taken the real one, given Tensai's comment on Juugo being oddly familiar with that puzzle. But of course they aren't showing us all this stuff. The way this series works I can't tell whether it's deliberately hiding stuff for sneaky revelations later, or if it has flawed writing in some areas.

[ookamigirl]

So, finally, the onsen part.
They sure were enjoying themselves.
Tensai always has such a keen eye for details.
She tends to find mysteries everywhere.
Yuiga is such a pain...
He always pulls a fast one on Juugo & team.
Why, oh why do they still tolerate that guy?
Traps in their new adventure were interesting.
There was some weirdish fanservice this time as well ^^"

[bakato]

Nanana's mad because he left her alone. I think its fairly evident he was the one who went ahead and cleared the ruins, replacing the real treasure with the fake. This might also explain why he asked to have a separate room. He probably shipped out the real treasure with the souvenir pudding so it wouldn't be discovered.

But could this be...! The first time Juugo's actually outwitted Tensai! I hope so.

[cleo]

Well they sure made it same very obvious that Juugo took the real treasure.
I didn't see Nanana with her game console at all this ep, so I guess he sold it.
This ep also shows why it's smart to be around Isshin: he comes up with locations of ruines.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by bakato

Nanana's mad because he left her alone. I think its fairly evident he was the one who went ahead and cleared the ruins, replacing the real treasure with the fake. This might also explain why he asked to have a separate room. He probably shipped out the real treasure with the souvenir pudding so it wouldn't be discovered.

But could this be...! The first time Juugo's actually outwitted Tensai! I hope so.

Did he? She'd noticed his familiarity with that ruin, and from what we've seen of her by now there's no way she won't realize what that means (she probably figured out what it meant the instant she recognized it). She was also making close note of him asking for his own room, and him having been out early in the morning (supposedly to buy pudding for Nanana). The whole thing with the two thieves from Matsuri and talking to Juugo on the train afterwards was probably just window-dressing.

[jhpace1]

Episode 06

Juugo is assumed to have sold the majority, if not all, of his video games to pay his electric bill. There was no game console and 20-30 games seen in Juugo's and Nanana's room. The local high-quality pudding shop is sold out at midday, when the group arrives.

At the hot spring hotel Juugo asks for a different room, and we see him getting up early and presumably getting the famed pudding for Nanana, he even has to ship it special delivery to keep it chilled.

Juugo's "older sister" from the thief gang is present, as is a teammate, as well as a former member of the Adventure Group. Before Juugo and Tensai get to the ruins in a different building on the island, the Adventure Club president, his Vice/girlfriend, and the older member have tried the room. It's a hot-spring-jumping contest. Tensai is unimpressed and bored with it.

When they get Nanana's treasure, it is a stuffed black cat. Obvious bait-and-switch? Who got there first? But even the fake treasure can't keep from being stolen by "the thief with a Hundred Faces", a rival to Juugo's gang? Too confusing. And then Nanana says the stuffed cat is not a treasure.

Nanana being angry could be the special delivery of chilled pudding not arriving, but Juugo paid extra to have it shipped overnight, why isn't it there? Did Juugo go early to the stepping-stone ruins and swap out the treasure? Did anybody see him buy a stuffed cat on the island the day before? No.

The author is playing fast and loose, not showing us the entire picture, jumping from scene to scene, introducing new people at random, red herrings everywhere. Daruku Hoshino (Tensai's maid) is shown trying to get a boy's room at the hot spring hotel, and taking a bath separately from everybody else. For those of us not interested in crossdressers, we thank the staff. But the entire episode was a letdown, compared to the others.

[Arkeus]

Originally Posted by jhpace1

Snip.

Juugo

Spoiler:

Going to the stepping stone during the night, then sending the treasure via mail back home and swapping it with the cat that he either took or bought instead of the pudding

Is done with big neon letter, what with Tensai commenting on every single step of his plan.

The question is whether

Spoiler:

the treasure arrived at Tensai's place instead

[cleo]

Originally Posted by jhpace1

When they get Nanana's treasure, it is a stuffed black cat. Obvious bait-and-switch? Who got there first? But even the fake treasure can't keep from being stolen by "the thief with a Hundred Faces", a rival to Juugo's gang? Too confusing.

It's Shuu, Yuki's colleague. The same guy who acted as Yuki last ep. Both work for his father, and they're after Nanana's collection as well. So yes, at first glance they're rivals, though they still help them out at times. We don't know enough about Juugo and his dad yet to know what they're really up to.

Originally Posted by Arkeus

The question is whether

Spoiler:

the treasure arrived at Tensai's place instead

Indeed. They did their best to make Juugo look suspicious, but what were Tensai & Hoshino doing in the lobby that early in the morning?
What looked suspicious to me, was Juugo's deliberate yawning, both when he saw Tensai in the lobby, and when he came out at 10 o'clock. Did he really go to sleep?

[jhpace1]

Answering my own question, I just re-watched the video:

at 00:13, you see two "Cranemaster" gaming booths where you plunk in a quarter and get the toy from the pile. The toys presented are....stuffed black cats.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by jhpace1

Answering my own question, I just re-watched the video:

at 00:13, you see two "Cranemaster" gaming booths where you plunk in a quarter and get the toy from the pile. The toys presented are....stuffed black cats.

Nice work, eagle eye.