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View Poll Results: To Aru Majutsu no Index LN - New Testament Volume 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 44 | 33.59% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 58 | 44.27% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 12.21% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 5.34% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 1.53% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 4 | 3.05% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 131. You may not vote on this poll |
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2014-05-25, 16:00 | Link #4303 |
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My favorite chapter was the Slivia fight. It showed what happens when Touma goes up against a saint that is holding nothing back. Seeing Slivia's brutality and how she far she would go to make Othnius suffer was just shocking. The conversation between Othnius and Ollerus afterwards was nice too.
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2014-05-25, 16:25 | Link #4304 |
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I was thinking back a bit and noticed that all touma gets is "human" as a pet name... then I noticed that the other character in this series who is referred to as "human" is Aleister.... coincidence? probably but then again, maybe not.
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2014-05-25, 18:42 | Link #4305 |
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Aleister is Touma who traveled to the past and lost IB, giving him the oportunnity to learn magic,his wife(Othinus in the past whom she traveled with him and changed her name) and helped him in his experiments to return home, she was lost giving birth to the Othinus of the normal timeline who went to the beginnig of life and lost her memories, just knowing she was not in her world, Lilith their daugher tried to help and she was lost too, giving the tear to his journal, and his desire to destroy magic and his illusions destroyed. XD JK
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2014-05-25, 20:14 | Link #4309 | ||
I’m sorry, Kamijou-san!!
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Also, about your spoiler reply. The postmodernism tenant Death of the Author is still very controversial even now. I don't think it is fair to force that on everyone, though I completely understand that POV. I will have some evidence at least, for when I explain my point of view on this volume and the arc in general... Hopefully I can make it easier to read than Infinite Jest... so you don't have to flip back and forth all of the time. Anyway, I'll have my analysis up later... And I wasn't trying to criticize your viewpoint that much, I was just annoyed when you called the ending bullshit. And I understand why you might have had that reaction to it considering what you were expecting. I just wanted to confirm with others that is part of the large appeal of this series that it is urban fantasy of sorts, so that has lots of mythology it uses as a base that it is fun exploring while seeing how the series twists them for its own benefit? In addition to everything else. Lastly for now, my favorite chapter was definitely the one before the epilogue. I liked the epilogue as well, but something about chapter 20 was amazing for me. I'll go into detail later... Also, don't worry when I start using my laptop, to post it'll be much more readable... |
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2014-05-25, 20:18 | Link #4310 | |
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The first reason is that her reality warping is very underwhelming. Her reality warping works in that she is only capable of changing our universe and reality warp it once at a time. Another is that her reality warping works in a way that she herself describle in NT 9 as I quote her " “Call me a god. And what I have done is simple. I have created new filters and placed them over the world so the world appears to have changed. That is why the world appeared changed to you. This is a lot easier than destroying everything and building it back up every time. And your right hand contains the power to level out any foreign elements in the world, so it has difficulty functioning when I change the world itself. …Still, results are everything in the world. In the end, history will record it like this: the Magic God repeatedly destroyed the world and created new ones to make a single boy suffer as much as possible.”" - From Toaru NT 9 Connecting the lines This proof that all her feat of "recreating the world and destroying it" are all nullify because she isn't doing it. She is merely changing the phases and changing the appearances of it. Whcih mean she literally have no feat of her destroying the entire universe and recreating it from nothing. Another thing that bothers me about her is that a human did what she could not. In Toaur NT 10, Alester himself was able to go to the very phase that Othinus could not reach and breach it to reveal the other existence of the "magic gods" How can a mere human do what a mere god couldn't? Isn't that contradictory? From the epilouge of NT 10 "But in truth, there had been one more layer. It was as uniform as a thin membrane, it had not even the slightest seam, and it could not be detected or destroyed by anyone, but one last phase had existed. This black world was the place not even Magic God Othinus had been able to destroy." The book itself state the Othinus could not destroy this last phase of the world. How is a god a god when he/she could not even destroy everything in a universe? Okay Wilson Yu, than what is a god to you. To me a god is someone who is capable of destroying universes and creating them like they are raindrops. Their powers are not limited to one universe because their power is unlimited. They can change all of creation including every single bloody universe and multiverse that are out there and they are omniscient and omnipotent meaning they know everything and nothing can stop them. Is Othinus Omnipotent and Omniscient, nope and nope. A fairy spell stopped her power, and she did not know why she was losing to Touma in their infinity battles in NT 9 when Touma almost defeated her. (Don't want to quote this because anyone who read NT 9 should know what i am talking about) (Why am I taking more damage even though I am a god - Othinus, Cause this is fun - Touma) Another thing that she could not perfectly recreate the world that she was from. How can you not perfectly recreate a universe when you are a god. Mind blowing. “I don’t know the details of this whole ‘phase’ thing, but you have the ability to freely change the shape of the world like clay. Due to that, you completely forgot what world you originally lived in. You desperately tried to create a world based on the scenery you remembered. You added in and removed phase after phase. …And this was the work of a god. It was probably so close to perfect that no human could tell the difference. But as a god, ‘close to perfect’ wasn’t good enough for you.” - NT 9 In the quote from above Touma is telling Othinus (Why is he always correct, seriously) what her problem is. At we all know he is always right when he do this, don't know why but well yea.......... Anyways there are many instance in the book that proofs that Othinus is not a god even thoug she is titled as magical god. Othinus is far from a god, she is a failure and I am pretty sure all of the other magic gods that reside in that one hidden phase of the world will agree with me. TL;DR she is not a god, book proofs it in my eyes. You guys can all say she is a god and that her powerful reality warping proofs she is a god but she is not to me cause she isn't omniscient or omnipotent. Not only that but if she really is a god, why is she in the book. She could solved all her problems with a snap of a finger and yet she have not demonstrate that one bit. A God is very boring to put in a book because if they are truly god there would be no plot. But eh that is my opinion and nothing else. My definition of a god is very high in the sky. |
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2014-05-25, 20:29 | Link #4311 | ||
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2014-05-25, 20:30 | Link #4312 |
I’m sorry, Kamijou-san!!
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Well as far as your point about Aleister, he is a human who apparently took special measures to prevent himself from ending up like the others, which makes me wonder if he was at a similar level, but purposely took another path to "godhood." He himself has made it clear that he wants to reach a higher level. This series has so much extraordinary special powers and physics that I think it clashes strongly with the normal definition of God that applies in traditional stories. Kamachi called her one, so I think she is one in a sense.
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2014-05-25, 20:36 | Link #4313 | |
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If I got to choose, I've got to go with Touma trolls Kanzaki: The chapter It was just pure, concentrated fun seeing Touma get out of what should've been the ultimate OH **** situation by such simple means, and hey, she enjoyed it
That said, most of this volume was very enjoyable for one reason or another. I don't criticize you for having chapter 20 as your favorite, dniv, it pretty much had something for everyone, including (and especially) shippers. Like NT2, this was a case when a volume really shouldn't be this good going by the most common standards, but it just nailed some kind of perfect middle point. Also, chibi Othinus is officially a thing. How can I be mad? And I can't stop re-reading this line Quote:
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2014-05-25, 20:36 | Link #4314 |
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My faves were:
Misaka - Touma got Touma'd, love that role reversal from the bridge scene in the Sister's Arc. Misaka punching Touma in the face and destroying his illusion was priceless. Kanzaki - Touma the Troll at his best, laughing like a madman as Kanzaki jumps after him. Also the Kanzaki mid-air groping festival was hilarious. Even though it's a funny chapter, there's a lot to be said about a Kanzaki jumping out after him without hesitation and fighting the English Monster Trio single-handed. It would seem the Priestess is happy to be relied on by Touma, even if he does so by playing her. |
2014-05-25, 20:40 | Link #4315 | |
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the original material , is still a human. |
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2014-05-25, 20:41 | Link #4316 | ||
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From what NT 9 shows she actually has the power to destroy the universe and create a new one but the use of filters in the end showed that she had too much attachment to the old world or pure world to completely destroy it. in the final battle with Touma she had the intention of destroying everything and creating a new one. Which is why she is throwing away her dream of returning to the pure world in doing so. Quote:
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Unless you are comparing her to the one almighty god from Christianity that would be able to make something from nothing then she may fall short. she needs the clay to mold I suppose. Speaking of which if this phase was made by Othinus and she can alter the world to that extent in some ways she could be seen as the one who created this world. Just what have the Christians in this story been worshiping? The one who created Othinus? The one who created the world that Othinus altered? It's really hard to say just where the god of Christianity is present in all of this.
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2014-05-25, 21:17 | Link #4317 | ||
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and if ib is the safe point , the "original "world is the update version of the pure world?, then her world is already lost Quote:
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2014-05-25, 21:31 | Link #4318 |
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Or just her boasting something she believes while the other magic gods were there LTAO
Note the she reached the status as "Magic God" but not as The Almighty(that's how Kanzaki described it, vol.4) or The One True God. Probably that's Aleister's goal. |
2014-05-25, 22:30 | Link #4319 |
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to become "the one true god", i suppose you need the power of "god" , and the mindset of "god",(+ mind blow method)..maybe this is the reason of ac, understand how the world start, work and will end ..
...aleister still have the emotion of a human...so .. still a long way to go |
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