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2014-10-18, 19:38 | Link #245 |
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Most likely he doesn't remember because he can't remember, since he presumably never found out that Rin was the one who saved him that night, just like Shirou isn't aware of it either, hence why he stored it in this episode instead of returning it to her. Of course, IIRC the current Shirou will eventually find out in this route (but not in Fate or HF).
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2014-10-18, 22:24 | Link #246 |
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It's implied he eventually found out about Rin, but he had part of his memories of the current time from the beginning which is why in one of that Fate materials it says upon hearing Rin name he had an affection akin to insanity, basically rather than the summoning fucking him up he had straight up forgotten things likely due to being a counter guardian. That and the whole sharing the same reality as Shirou business.
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2014-10-19, 04:09 | Link #251 |
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For the infodump church scene with Kirei and Shirou, he mentions a master coming close to securing the grail in the previous grail war but failed due to not fighting (he's talking about himself). But if we look back at F/Z he certainly did do plenty of fighting. So what's the deal?
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2014-10-19, 04:44 | Link #255 | |
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Kirei was very disappointed that Rin didn't join him in the walking, apparently the Tohsaka art of circle walking died with Tokiomi |
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2014-10-19, 10:26 | Link #258 | |
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@bolded part: There are indeed people who dislike or even hate HF!Shirou, but due to completely different reasons. Most of those who hate Shirou after reading the VN were mostly people who didn't know that there is more than 1 route and assumed they finished the whole VN after the Fate route (a mistake that can easily happen, without outside knowledge). I have yet to see a person that not only disliked, but actually hated Shirou in UBW (VN). But you are right, the could be just around the corner.
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According to Zero, Kirei didn't really avoid battles (much less Kiritsugu), but the Grail chose to first hear Kiritsugu's wish (because he already embodied all the evils in the world), only Kerry, upon learning the Grail's true nature, had Saber destroy it. It's debatable whether the fire and disaster that ensued was the Grail granting Kirei's wish (since it did come into contact with him as well) for suffering and destruction or simply the result of Saber destroying it. According to Zero, Kirei didn't run away from the Grail at all. He actively desired it after his conversations with Gilgamesh. So if his comments in FSN are to make sense we have to assume he's partially bullshitting Shirou and Rin and just referencing his behavior during the beginning of the war, when he just spied for Tokiomi with Assassin and didn't fight, but nothing of what came after. Personally, I think it was just a Zero retcon, like with how Saber and Gil didn't really fight after all. But it's a bit sloppy of ufotable to include comments like that in the anime when they're clearly trying to make this a Zero sequel of sorts. |
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