(L+CR) Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku (Oregairu Season 2)

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by novalysis

Spoiler for Response:

.... Why won't Yukino run for President, and Yui for Vice President, on a common platform? By splitting the votes in a three corner fight, the odds of Isshiki actually winning increases.

Because Yui is more concerned about Yukino winning. She is worried that if Yukino becomes the student council president, the Service Club would have to disband along with their friendship.

[frubam]

God, man, the air was heavy practically the entire episode! So much tension, you could cut it with a knife. So many good points, I don't even know where to start.

The new animation style really shined this ep. The Yui moments at the end were pristine.

Isshiki. I thought she was just a bland one-dimensional "I wanna be popular =03!" char, like Saki, but seeing "that" side of her really brought out her character for me =03. I almost got a yandere impression when she was whispering in Hachiman's ear, what, with the asking about those two girls(why should she even be concerned about this?). She didn't even address Hayato at all until after the fact! I'm with 8man on that one; scary !

Hayato; props for orchestrating that rendezvous to set those girls straight about who Hachiman really is. He really showed Hachiman what it feels like to have someone be "tossed under a bus" for himself. It was quite depressing to hear Hachiman say that 'he's alone' and all his...self-sacrificing methods have nothing to do with anyone else.... so very very sad =0(.

Haruno, she's as vindictive as I expected her to be, and pretty much affirmed what Hayato said in the previous episode; that she has zero interest in him[Hayato], and really likes Hachiman. Also there seems to be some hate between her and Yukino that's relatable to their mother? B4 this ep, after reading some of the posts here, I thought that maybe the people who thought Haruno was trying to help her in the long run, might actually be right. Now I can't see that being the case. I actually though Yukino would be indifferent to being the SCP; now, it feels like she's only doing it to prove her sister wrong. This decision definitely doesn't make Yukino happy. Side note: how did she find out Hayato asked 8man out, and even bowed to ask the favor? Also, Komachi has her number, but not Hachiman?

[thundrakkon]

I really like Yui this season. She has grown leaps and bounds compared to last season, and she is shaping out to be the best female character at the moment.

There really was so much about this episode that it might require a second viewing to let everything sink in. I'm a little curious about the scene at the end when Hachiman's sister, Komachi, walks up to him in the dark room. I wonder what she will do?

Originally Posted by frubam

Side note: how did she find out Hayato asked 8man out, and even bowed to ask the favor? Also, Komachi has her number, but not Hachiman?

I'm guessing Haruna set everything up, the date and all. Hayato probably had to report to her; hence, she knew about the bowing. Also, it was Haruna who called Komachi, apparently, not the other way around. It also makes sense, since Hachiman is unlikely to pick up if Haruna called him.

[Reckoner]

4:

Above all else, Hachiman does not want to be pitied. He doesn't view his way of life as "wrong" and being pitied insinuates there is something wrong with him. The question is whether or not Hayama actually was pitying him. In many ways Hayama seems to be jealous of Hachiman perhaps because his attitude frees him from the social chains that constantly bind him. He realizes just as much as Hachiman what his superficial persona costs him, but it is not like Hachiman's situation is at all enviable. Hachiman really should realize his own self worth as he said.

All in all another pretty great episode. Feel is just nailing it so far. The ending scene with Yui was perfection. Iroha is a bit scary in her own way.

[hai_san]

I thought there is going to be a war at the cafe... seems the war declaration was at the end Yui vs Yukino.

[ices]

Iroha's thousand-watt smile!! (Request for an avatar from those part please?)

Episode 4

That was great episode.
Iroha showing her true color to Hachiman.
Orimoto did nothing wrong! (LOL, but really. She did nothing wrong)
Haruno is still scary as always.
And the touching scene at the end with Yuigahama.
Studio feel really nailed it.

[HandofFate]

wow, intense episode with many layers.
Can't believe this is only the 4th episode.

Iroha was pretty scary.

lol @ Orimoto though, I mean she was digging at old wounds on Hachiman, but it wasn't on purpose, she just honestly didn't know. + her friend too lol. Still, the way they talked really started annoying me. Is there a term for the way they act? That really girly teenager way they agree with eachother in such a loud manner.

Haruno is also really scary, I think she's trying to help yukinon in her own plan, but it seems covered in circumstances that's hard to place atm.

[Salva]

I came here, because I have severe problems with second season. I just don't really get all the ruckus about many things, in fact. I have suspicions this series may be too deep for my comprehension.

First I don't get Hikigaya at all. Where does he takes all his ideas from?! Confessing left me with open mouth and "are you freakin kiddin me?!". I have no idea what's the deal with his methods. What the hell is he doing and, most importantly, why? I need to remind myself what happened in the first season because since the beginning of second I'm lost and… surprised they're for real. I do not know why Yukino gets so annoyed, I don't know what's Yui's problem (although I can fairly guess, since romantic part of the whole show is the clearest for me). I don't know why the hell they agree to these ridiculous, offending requests, why they keep on being forced into taking responsibility for something when they should spit in the face of people asking. Like our blonde bishounen. I hate the guy, I hate his guts, I don't care for his circumstances, he disgusts me. Why do hikigaya still talks to him? I wouldn't. That Iroha chick is also annoying. I hated her from the first glance. Just dumping your problems and stupid conditions on someone else and having the insolence to threaten them? WHAT THE HELL?! And most of all, I can't stand Haruno. I really have no stomach for her. I never had. She's making me furious and if she keeps on appearing further I might just drop the show altogether. I hate people like her, messing with others for their own amusement and hidden agendas. I don't know what her problem with Yukino is, but she's embodiment of what I hate in people. Playing with others and forcing them to do as she wishes.

[ices]

Originally Posted by Salva

I came here, because I have severe problems with second season. I just don't really get all the ruckus about many things, in fact. I have suspicions this series may be too deep for my comprehension.

First I don't get Hikigaya at all. Where does he takes all his ideas from?! Confessing left me with open mouth and "are you freakin kiddin me?!". I have no idea what's the deal with his methods. What the hell is he doing and, most importantly, why? I need to remind myself what happened in the first season because since the beginning of second I'm lost and… surprised they're for real. I do not know why Yukino gets so annoyed, I don't know what's Yui's problem (although I can fairly guess, since romantic part of the whole show is the clearest for me). I don't know why the hell they agree to these ridiculous, offending requests, why they keep on being forced into taking responsibility for something when they should spit in the face of people asking. Like our blonde bishounen. I hate the guy, I hate his guts, I don't care for his circumstances, he disgusts me. Why do hikigaya still talks to him? I wouldn't. That Iroha chick is also annoying. I hated her from the first glance. Just dumping your problems and stupid conditions on someone else and having the insolence to threaten them? WHAT THE HELL?! And most of all, I can't stand Haruno. I really have no stomach for her. I never had. She's making me furious and if she keeps on appearing further I might just drop the show altogether. I hate people like her, messing with others for their own amusement and hidden agendas. I don't know what her problem with Yukino is, but she's embodiment of what I hate in people. Playing with others and forcing them to do as she wishes.

nsleep on reddit made a good explanation about what's going on with the characters.

I'll quote it here, it's a good read even if it's quite long.

TL;DR…

 

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[thundrakkon]

@Salva

LOL Yes, this series might not be for you, but I'll try to explain what I understand to hopefully help you better understand the series.

TL;DR…

Responses to your questions

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[blakstealth]

Man, I really liked this episode even though I almost got crushed by its heavy tension.

Holy mother, I can't believe Hayato told those two off. Not gonna lie, I was getting fed up with their vernacular, too. "Yeah.....right.....yeah....right"........SHUT UP. JUST...STOP TALKING. I wonder why Hayato picked this moment to tell them off instead of using his usual tactics of changing the subject. It's a shame Japanese Batman feels like he's lost Orimoto now (if I'm interpreting what he said during bike scene correctly) because of what happened.

And Haruno just loves starting shit. Does she get enjoyment from toying with angst-y high school teens? lol

I think the best part was the way Batman acknowledged what Yumiko was rocking, and did a 180 and walked away as fast as he could. So funny. She also looked good in those boots. :3

[ahelo]

We really don't get breather episodes anymore, do we? This is amazing stuff.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by blakstealth

And Haruno just loves starting shit. Does she get enjoyment from toying with angst-y high school teens? lol

For one thing she's doing this to affect Yukino in some way for sure: Hachiman did said that he also have a little sister so he understand. And it seems her plot isn't even near the end.

For another thing she seems to get enjoyment from people getting aware of their own flaws and watching their reactions. It's different from enjoying people getting hurt because she seems most interested in people who face their flaws. Where Yukino tries to overcome, and Hachiman just admit it or even use it for his own purpose.

[Tormenk]

The string of events covered in this episode really delivered. It helps that the clash of opinions and ideals in this episode is easily linked to the context of each character's stance in the current situation, making for tight exposition rather than referring back to previous events not in the current arc.

Nearly everyone had their moments to shine but Haruno's smooth antagonism and Yui's sincerity really shone through for me. Can't wait for the events of next episode to unfold.

Originally Posted by blakstealth

It's a shame Japanese Batman feels like he's lost Orimoto now (if I'm interpreting what he said during bike scene correctly) because of what happened.

Hikki's closure with Orimoto ended in the theater scene. He was less obtuse and plain frustrated when admitting his loss of understanding with Yukino. That said, he really was not ready for the appearance of Yukino and Yui in the cafe at that point in time.

[Forever]

Did yui sort of indirectly confess to him?

[Benigmatica]

Say, I was wondering if Hayato Hayama is confirmed running for president?

But still, I wanna be like Oprah Winfrey and say "You become a president! Everybody becomes a president!!!" on Episode 4! Even if Hayato-kun wasn't included in the election, the president race is gonna be interesting now that Yuigahama and Yukinoshita are joining in!

[p-kun]

Originally Posted by blakstealth

I wonder why Hayato picked this moment to tell them off instead of using his usual tactics of changing the subject.

And Haruno just loves starting shit. Does she get enjoyment from toying with angst-y high school teens? lol

I think Hayato just couldn't take it anymore. He's been tolerating the two badmouthing someone he sort of respects for hours already. I wonder if he made a deal with Haruno, that Haruno will make 8man come to the date and in exchange, he'll make Yukino meet Haruno.

Haruno is Izaya. On the other hand, either Yukino is more hypocritical/a bigger liar than I thought, or that she's simply convinced that Haruno didn't influence her (after all if you want to believe something hard enough, you'll believe it).

[Sides]

So from this episode I get the impression that people, characters in the series, perceive Hayato as a untouchable being and Hachiman as a faulty humanbeing that is reachable to anyone.
Nevertheless I was completely off track with my guesswork last week, i didn't expect Hayato to be a central part of how the show will continue to develop.

BTW i kind of like Iroha, she would be the best choice for Hachiman, if the members for the club want to stay friends.

[Salva]

ices thank you for showing me this! I appreciate it. I read the whole thread, it clarified few things.

Actually my rant was out of frustration, because I operate so differently it's really difficult for me to comprehend Hikigaya's kind of thinking. I'm more straightforward. One thing I tend to dislike in most series, that are a bit more serious, is that people talk riddles. When characters are teenagers it might be possible, they do not know themselves well enough to clearly explain. Maybe that's my bias as an adult, seeing unnecessary drama, when talking would solve quite a bit. It makes me feel powerless. Something is wrong, why don't they fix it?

I actually loved first season, I loved interactions between characters and how Hikigaya wasn't really your typical GOOD hero. But second season threw me off, greatly. First of all, since I watched the first season some time ago, now I have different perspective. I'm not as bs-proof as before. The whole setting is not making much sense. The situation is artificial. So if foundation doesn't make sense, everything crumbles for me. I will rewatch first season soon and rewatch newest episodes. I really want to grasp the situation, because so far it just doesn't make sense to me. I understand logical arguments, I understand how other people see it, I just cannot. It's very difficult to explain so I'll just come back after rewatching first series. Maybe (as much as it hurts to admit) I actually am too stupid for this show.


thundrakkon you misunderstood me a little. I understand things and what happened. I just don't see logical connection between them. For example it was completely beyond me where Hikigaya takes his ideas of solving the problem, I would never come up with confessing myself as a fix for the situation everyone was in.

Hachiman Hikigaya is a person who really does not fit in with "normal" society. He hates superficial and fake things, and he is socially awkward. Because of that, he has a unique view of people and their interactions. He decided to be "alone" and do things only affect himself, since dealing with others can cause misunderstanding, pain, suffering, embarrassment, and a whole lot of other superficial things. And due to all this that he is, he developed plans and ideas that helps others without hurting anyone besides himself, since supposedly hurting himself "should not" affect anyone else. He is very sharp and can read between the lines.

Thanks for this paragraph, it made me think about some thing differently.

But for me, it didn't come out as them caring for him. I have the biggest problem with that. I DO NOT SEE IT. I can see they're fond of him, but considering all that happened, Yukino's anger came out of the blue for me (although I do understand logically that she could have been angry about him not being true to the beliefs she thought they shared, and just pissed because he's making himself a sacrifice again), same with Yui who acted like she had some ulterior motive while showing him the confession place. But she still overreacted for me.


I know that's the goal of the club. This is exactly why it's wrong. I don't like this idea, I don't like how they have to deal with people like Hayato or Iroha. They should be able to decline, not be responsible for the failure if the situation is either making them do things that hurt them or very difficult to solve.

I have allergy towards people like Hayama. Just overall they seem disgusting, I'm more like Hikigaya in this regard.

As for Iroha I don't like her mindset, I don't like people being so demanding, and having basically no shame. It feels wrong for me to just demand of everyone to follow every whim. I guess I am just a very very different person.

As for Haruno, I loathe her as a whole I think? I don't buy her being "it's all for my precious sister". No matter the reason her way of doing things is just wrong for me. Rubs me the wrong way.

[IceHism]

What a great episode.

Anyone notice the change in the OP? The service room is now empty after yukinon and yui walk different ways in the snow compared to the past 3 which had the trio in the room.