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View Poll Results: F/SN UBW TV - Episode 17 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 19 | 46.34% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 16 | 39.02% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 3 | 7.32% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 7.32% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2015-05-02, 17:36 | Link #21 | |
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(Then he used trace on/ body enhance in his body to repair/remake his arm > which was the cause of his skin color change because he always overused it on his body) Though it look like I was wrong |
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2015-05-02, 17:37 | Link #22 |
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And once again I felt the power of "beauty forgives". Was I the only one who thought "what kind of idiot would cheat on someone looking like her?", especially since Medea was supposed to turn evil only _after_ she was deserted?
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2015-05-02, 17:39 | Link #23 |
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Archer's ultimate goal is to get Shirou to give up his ideals and step away from the path of the hero. Trying to kill Shirou by his own hand is ultimately a very, very small chance at causing a paradox strong enough to eradicate his own existence as a Counter Guardian, and frankly it's mainly just to make himself feel better, to deal with pent-up resentment at his past self.
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2015-05-02, 17:47 | Link #24 | |
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And when Archer just says "screw it" and tries to kill Shirou outright at the Ryuudou Temple anyway, Rin afterwards puts another command spell on Archer not to kill Shirou (but the exposition on that particularly crucial plot point was admittedly a bit "blink and you miss it"). Because of that command spell, Archer has to go a roundabout way of killing Shirou. The only way for him to remove that command spell is for him to break his contract with Rin and the only way he can do that is by either killing Rin or using Caster's Rule Breaker. The fact that he uses Caster's Rule Breaker is an obvious hint that he doesn't want any harm to come to Rin if he can help it and that's also why he doesn't immediately go after Shirou once his contract is broken until Caster is killed. He knows Rin isn't ever going to give in and accept defeat even it means her life, so he then has to kill Caster and has to keep Shirou alive for the time being for that to work. If you notice Archer mentions Caster's ever watching eyes more than once and that's because he knows they're always on him. All he needs is one opportunity for Caster to be distracted and he can take her down easily. Him fighting Lancer for real helps the cause because it means Caster has less reason to keep an eye on him, especially when she needs to devote her full concentration on fighting Rin (and proctecting Kuzuki if need be). So he essentially needs to deploy a roundabout way of killing Caster in order to satify his roundabout way of killing Shirou. The poetic irony is that the main thing stopping Shirou from killing himself always seems to be Rin in more ways than one. Of course, the whole thing is open to a lot of interpretation and some suggest he may have been a bit half hearted in killing Shirou, or that his obligations as a Counter Guardian got in the way and so on.
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2015-05-02, 17:47 | Link #25 | |
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And well, I actually would go further and say that deep down Archer didn't really want to kill Shirou so much as he wanted to vent his frustrations and take out his anger on his younger self whom he now saw as foolish and naive, and that on a subconscious level his attempts to harm Shirou were more of a challenge for him to prove him wrong and remind him of the beauty of the ideal they once held in common. But it might be better to leave such a discussion for when their clash actually takes place in a couple of episodes or so. |
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2015-05-02, 18:27 | Link #33 | ||
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Re: Have first timers STILL not figured it out? Well one thing that keeps their minds closed to the possibility is basically the fact that as far as they are aware, servants are supposed to be legendary heroes from the past. The story does not bother mentioning that the spirit does not necessarily need to be all that legendary, nor the fact that the future is excluded from this equation. At least, not until the beans are finally spilled. |
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2015-05-02, 18:37 | Link #36 | |
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2015-05-02, 18:47 | Link #39 |
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Can someone confirm this for me? Although this is a bit later, is it theoretically possible for Archer to beat Gilgamesh? I know Gilgamesh has Ea, which can't be copied with UBW, but it should be possible for Archer to stop him from using it, right?
Also, regarding the route in the original anime, why did Archer lose to Berserker? Was it because he was trying to hide his identity? |
2015-05-02, 18:50 | Link #40 | |
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Archer lost because he probably can't kill a fully functioning Berserker 12 times. He did it six times in the novel and five times in the anime. |
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