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@Klashikari What you've wrote about how the anime compares to the source material is not reflective of what I've heard from other people that have familiarity with both the source material and the anime. And those people went into considerable detail with me in specific areas, which definitely reinforces their general observations on how the anime compares to the source material.
Now, when it comes to the profitability of yuri... I haven't checked anime DVD/BD sales figures in awhile, but IIRC, the two best-selling late-night anime of the last five years (on DVD/BD) are Madoka Magica and Love Live! Season 2 Tonally, these are two very different shows. One being on the darker and more serious side of things, with the other being much brighter and more comedic. So what's one major thing they have in common? Heavy degrees of yuri subtext. Yuri as a primary genre might not be that popular, but as a major secondary element, it can certainly help sell shows. And I think that's what KyoAni banked on here. Besides, consider the impact that Episode 8 had. In addition to what Kazu-kun just pointed out about preorders jumps, it's also true that fanart for this show has jumped considerably since Episode 8 (I've seen this through pixiv searches). Yuri subtext does seem to be helping Hibike at a commercial and marketability level, at least. Quote:
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Just for clarification of what I was trying to point out: the original "bait" itself was more or less apparent in the original material (please refer to this for your instance), but by no means I "confirmed" or asserted relationships and whatnot (and I sincerely couldn't care less about that, since I don't see the actual yuri in there).
My intervention was solely to point out the whole theory about deliberately trying to bait audience for sake of sales is a bit far fetched, considering 1) the source material 2) the actual "prowess" of shows driven to this tangent 3) that tangent being subdued and coming late in the show. If the purpose of this plot part was really to make more profits, then they would have played that card quite early, and it wouldn't be as much as muddy waters as it was in the original material. That said, it is no question that scene had an effect on the sales, but that's absolutely not the initial purpose of the given scene. Also, the fact 2 very popular show having yuri as the only common is at best a very circumstancial observation that isn't exactly shared by other shows. Moreso if we consider the fact they are not targeting the same audience at all.
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2015-06-04, 18:25 | Link #1188 |
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Nobody cared about Shuichi until he came in between KimikoxRreina. All I remember when the show started is people commenting hos Kumiko and Shu's interactions were interesting and subtle and there's more ground to cover in that aspect of her relationship. I remember people commenting how Kumiko's reactions to Shu were very telling of her character's insecurities. Now the game has changed, and now I've seen more Shuichi bashing out of the blue.
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2015-06-04, 20:34 | Link #1192 |
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I already loved Hibike even before episode 8 happened. Personally, I prefer it without prancing around romance too much but thats what it makes it more appealing, adding both subtle and suggestive hints(thats how I see it) to stir things up. I see Shoe1 as a supporting character/childhood friend, they talk about the issues of the club after school and he is always the one who approaches Kumiko, certainly he likes to level up their relationship and thats all. He is not a hatable character and he is cute as Makoto and a good guy but if they want him to be relevant as a love interest they would need to delved in his character more (IMO) (3-4 episodes left? idk.) Maybe in 2nd season or movie.
The show is all about Kumiko's growth as a person and how people around her affects her, specially Reina. Reina has a strong personality and goals with her, she wants to be 'special' (idk what that means XD). Someone great to look up too for Kumiko While for Reina, Kumiko is someone who makes her question/challenge her goals (Truth hurts but it would not stop me...kinda way) because of Kumiko's blunt and cynical personality and I think thats what Reina "loves" about Kumiko (She's an M) They kinda complement each other in a sensible way. It is true that Kumiko and Reina has good chemistry together regardless if im wearing my yuri goggles or not. It does not need to be a romantic or platonic relationship between them...but it would be a plus for me if it turned out romantic which I highly doubt but still hoping(baited)...LOL |
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Let's take the scene in question... "Oumae-san, what do you think of Taki-sensei?" "Eh? Taki-sensei? What do I think? Well, I think he's a good teacher. Everone practices now. Natsuki-senpai said it wasn't like this last year. And he's 'kakkui' and stuff..." "Kakkui?" "No, not me! That's what everyone else says. I just think he's good at encouraging people." <more rambling from Kumiko> Of course one can LITERALLY interpret that into Kumiko is merely stating what everyone else said about Taki, but I see it as her backtracking on her previous words. She tries to frame the opinion of 'kakkui' belongs to other people, when it's really obvious it's her opinion to begin with. This is because it was part of her reply to Kousaka's question of what SHE thinks of Taki-sensei, and only did she take back her words because it elicited such a strong reaction from Reina, and she didn't want Reina to go ham on her again. That's one of the reasons why I can't stomach the translation as 'hot' or 'good looking', because apart from my own shipping bias, you mention that it was OTHER people and not Kumiko who mentioned that sensei was an 'ikemen'. Kumiko at that scene wasn't looking particularly impressed in that regard, and I have seen nothing since that would have changed her mind about Taki-sensei's looks. So from a character standpoint, I think it's the wrong translation. And if character consistency isn't enough, my argument still stands. Let's take a look closer at the latter half of her response: "No, not me! <Kakkui is> what everyone else says. I just think he's good at encouraging people." So let's ask ourselves, what is Kumiko trying to say here? She's trying to downplay her opinion on Sensei versus what 'other people' think Sensei is like, as taking this weaker position might, in Kumiko's mind, avoid Reina going ballistic on her. That is to say, "I just think he's good at encouraging people" is said with the implication that it is a 'less strong' opinion of what she meant by 'kakkui'. And considering 'encouraging people' has nothing to do with a person's looks, I'm more inclined to believe she meant 'kakkui' as in 'cool'. To illustrate my point... If 'kakkui' really meant 'good-looking', then her backtracking should've been something like "No, not me! <Taki sensei is good-looking> is what everyone else says. I just think his looks are passable." But we all know her what her response was, and so I really do think it should be read as "No, not me! <Taki sensei is really cool because of his remarks last episode> is what everyone else says. I just think he's good at encouraging people."
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