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zztop · 2016-09-17, 02:31

I was so certain the battle against the Efiolg would be drawn out over eps 24-26...

Do you think Kuromukuro will ever address the mystery of who or what the Efidolg race truly are? Because if what we've seen so far is just a brainwashed clone army of the Efidolg's subjects...

Benigmatica · 2016-09-17, 05:59

Episode 24:
It's a miracle to see "Sebastian" Mozuki alive! Also, looks like the Gezon-Reco Frontier Force has been defeated, but it appears that Efidolg will send a Reform Fleet at normal speed even though the hinge stone is deactivated.

Still, I wish the mystery surrounding Efidolg will be answered on the last two episodes instead of dragging the conflict on for all eternity!

DMurphy · 2016-09-17, 08:54

Wait, does 224 revolutionary cycles mean 224 revolutions around the sun (so, years) or 224 revolutions of the earth (so, days)?

Wandering Soul · 2016-09-17, 16:28

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Originally Posted by DMurphy

Wait, does 224 revolutionary cycles mean 224 revolutions around the sun (so, years) or 224 revolutions of the earth (so, days)?

Wouldn't the latter be a rotation and not a revolution? A revolution involves moving around an object with it at the center. If the Efidolg use correct terminology, then it should be years.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2016-09-17, 22:42

Efidolg will invade in 224 years? Well, if they keep their pace of technological progress (which is quite slow), be prepared to face an army of Gundams and to be kicked in the ass in the future

. And they better blame themselves for that blunder coz, yes, humans can progress that much and that fast when push comes to shove. On the other hand, looks like Efidolg is still on the state of comfort and has no massive technological progress since Ken’s time hundreds of years ago. Somebody need to wake up Efidolg’s R&D department

.

As for Sebastion being alive, I’m not really surprised since this is the second time PAW pulled this stunt after Bandana-kid and Cam-kid somehow avoid fatal injuries from massive explosion (twice). But unlike the first case, I’m glad with this turn of events coz Sebastian is a lot more fun than those kids. I was more surprised with his thick beard. Normally, there’s no way a man can grow that thick beard in just days. This looks like “Thomas Jane’s Punisher’s sudden-beard”-case all over again. How many time has gone since the Gezon-Reco’s big siege anyway?

Anyway, this is a good episode overall. It has good fights (the boss mech reminds me of that "origami-armed" angel from Evangelion), Muetta able to get her mech back, and Zeru is not dead (yet) which I like. And that reveal that Lefil was from his race (species?) makes him even more comparable to Piccolo/Kami from DBZ.

Oh, and I would've laugh with the "mom addressing the death flag"-joke, but I didn't because I've seen funnier joke on death flags in Argevollen (and Majestic Prince too IIRC) before this.

Uribatake · 2016-09-18, 10:57

Mmm, does that mean there will be a 224-year timeskip next episode? I can't imagine how Earth could beat Efidolg's full forces, so maybe they'll just be like "well, that's a problem for our descendants 224 years from now". Sucks to be them.

DMurphy · 2016-09-18, 13:06

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Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

Wouldn't the latter be a rotation and not a revolution? A revolution involves moving around an object with it at the center. If the Efidolg use correct terminology, then it should be years.

Ehhhh. Well. 'Revolution' to describe a planet spinning would be a valid use of the term - to have a revolution is just to revolve, or to turn around a central axis, and the Earth has a central axis. So we can talk about 'the revolution of the planets around the sun' (as in, planets moving around the central axis of the sun) or 'a single revolution of the earth' (as in, one turn of the earth about its own central axis).

You're getting into slightly archaic territory if you use the latter, but it's technically valid, at least.

FlareKnight · 2016-09-18, 19:11

I guess we'll have to wait to find out exactly how long that is. Doesn't necessarily mean the revolutions of Earth. They'd probably use some standardized orbit so they wouldn't get confused going to other worlds. Regardless...that does sound like a pretty long time.

If humanity stays on top of it and prepares properly then they should be able to defend the planet just fine. That's more than enough time for some massive leaps forward technologically. Of course this is humanity so we might slack off until there's only 20-30 years before the aliens arrive

. But yeah, if nothing else I'm also going to presume those guys will show up and be annihilated by an army of Gundams

.

Is a bit silly that Sebastian survived, but this show has refused to kill good guys before. If those idiots can survive this long then a badass butler should be able to.

Well...at least Ken proposed

. Good laughs from the embarrassment they faced when realizing basically everyone heard their chatter

.

ReddyRedWolf · 2016-09-18, 23:12

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I guess we'll have to wait to find out exactly how long that is. Doesn't necessarily mean the revolutions of Earth. They'd probably use some standardized orbit so they wouldn't get confused going to other worlds. Regardless...that does sound like a pretty long time.

If humanity stays on top of it and prepares properly then they should be able to defend the planet just fine. That's more than enough time for some massive leaps forward technologically. Of course this is humanity so we might slack off until there's only 20-30 years before the aliens arrive

. But yeah, if nothing else I'm also going to presume those guys will show up and be annihilated by an army of Gundams

.

Well something we forgot as this show went on due to gravity tech advances Earth is preparing to colonize Mars. Pretty much what Yukina wrote on her career plan. Her teacher felt she is too dumb to be a pioneer.

The UN or its successor will likely switch towards militarization and colonization in the coming centuries. Outpost around the solar system to detect Efidolg fleet movements.

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Is a bit silly that Sebastian survived, but this show has refused to kill good guys before. If those idiots can survive this long then a badass butler should be able to.

To be fair Shemi ejecting from GAUS-3 is a good indication of the GAUS escape system. So yeah it s believable he survived.

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Well...at least Ken proposed

. Good laughs from the embarrassment they faced when realizing basically everyone heard their chatter

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Mom doesn't want them marrying right out of high school and Yukina getting pregnant with a baby so soon. Making her a grandma.

She already pulled strings for the Mars colonization expedition dammit!

Qikz · 2016-09-19, 06:16

Invading in 224 years? Meh, not their problem. Leave that for another generation to deal with.

Illsteir · 2016-09-19, 08:39

I'm concerned with what Zeru told Tom before piloting the Long-Arm/Raion (the throwing away your humanity talk). We've seen the benefits of the nanomachines with Ken's hyper healing but is that all there is to it?

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2016-09-19, 09:50

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Originally Posted by Illsteir

I'm concerned with what Zeru told Tom before piloting the Long-Arm/Raion (the throwing away your humanity talk). We've seen the benefits of the nanomachines with Ken's hyper healing but is that all there is to it?

I hope the show doesn't go into Valvrave territory with that plot-point...........wait, I think it will actually make the show more interesting!

Illsteir · 2016-09-19, 11:51

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I hope the show doesn't go into Valvrave territory with that plot-point...........wait, I think it will actually make the show more interesting!

Space vampires?

How 'bout immortality (the "won't die unless killed" variety)? Fast forward 200+ years later and we'll see Ken, Yukina, Tom, Muetta, and even Zeru become the forerunners of Earth's defense vs Efidolg's fleet.

Chosen_Hero · 2016-09-19, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I hope the show doesn't go into Valvrave territory with that plot-point...........wait, I think it will actually make the show more interesting!

Oh god please no, one Valverape was bad enough. Hopefully if there will be more seasons they go the into Majestic Prince or Gundam territory instead.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2016-09-19, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Illsteir

Space vampires?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Oh god please no, one Valverape was bad enough. Hopefully if there will be more seasons they go the into Majestic Prince or Gundam territory instead.

Well, in PAW’s hands, the concept might be used better and there will be no rapey-rapey

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coded321 · 2016-09-22, 13:25

i really hope this series doesn't follow the glasslip ending...

ReddyRedWolf · 2016-09-23, 01:49

Spoiler:

Further interrogation of Lefil reveal Zeru's people are still out there fighting the Efidolg. If they can last for the next 224 years Earth potentially has an ally to link up with.

Publicly the UN has the Hinge destroyed in battle. Keeping it classified and hidden. The Efidolg mechs were taken in.

Tom burns his orders for redeployment. He can''t smoke as he likes to. Perhaps due to the nanomachines in his body.

Those modified by Efidolg nanotechnology are essentially immortal... As long nobody kills them. According to Dr, Hausen's investigation.

450 years ago the Oni and Efildolg raced each other in space. For the Efidolg to invade those worlds. For the Oni to protect them. Zeru's fortress and most of his crew were killed in battle. He and a companion infiltrated the enemy fortress saving Yukihime and Ken as they are the only ones alive. Those that the Efidolg abducted were the genetic templates of the next squad to invade Earth.

Yoruba survived and is the UN's prisoner. Muetta tries to convince him but to no avail. One of the guards wonders why they can't just kill him as he is an Efidolg. When you think about it how much money is gonna spent on this guy being kept prisoner. As long as you feed him and such he wont die. Guess the UN is hoping a long term Stockholm syndrome to set it. Mostly biologically speaking he still human.

UN has Muetta a shock collar as they do not trust her that much yet. However she has Yukina and Ken's support. But it turns out she is a test subject of Hausen who turned mad scientist. Ken tried to fight but was tranquilized.

Yukina's mom isn't director anymore thus don't have that much political pull.

UN even out a shock collar on Zeru. Pretty much they are being stupid on allies. Ken comes to him making a decision to continue his fight. Joining him in space.

So before regretting it Ken dates Yukina. Men in black following them. Pretty much a lovers spat happens as Ken is leaving Yukina behind. Even though Yukina is willing to come with him. Ken doesn't want her in harm's way.

magnuskn · 2016-09-23, 16:31

Wait, so this wasn't the last episode? Huh. How many episodes will this series have in total?

coded321 · 2016-09-23, 16:35

^next one is supposed to be the last episode

Benigmatica · 2016-09-24, 07:14

Episode 25:
So it seems that Efidolg got some opposition. Glad that there are people standing up against tyranny, but there's no indication on what happened to the planet Efidolg.

Meanwhile, I can't believe that Kennosuke will leave Yukina-chan behind in order to travel to space together with Muetta and Zeringer. Where's your proposal, Kennosuke-dono!?

In any case, I'll have to find that one out on the last episode.

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Obelisk ze Tormentor Black Steel Knight Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Indonesia	Efidolg will invade in 224 years? Well, if they keep their pace of technological progress (which is quite slow), be prepared to face an army of Gundams and to be kicked in the ass in the future . And they better blame themselves for that blunder coz, yes, humans can progress that much and that fast when push comes to shove. On the other hand, looks like Efidolg is still on the state of comfort and has no massive technological progress since Ken’s time hundreds of years ago. Somebody need to wake up Efidolg’s R&D department . As for Sebastion being alive, I’m not really surprised since this is the second time PAW pulled this stunt after Bandana-kid and Cam-kid somehow avoid fatal injuries from massive explosion (twice). But unlike the first case, I’m glad with this turn of events coz Sebastian is a lot more fun than those kids. I was more surprised with his thick beard. Normally, there’s no way a man can grow that thick beard in just days. This looks like “Thomas Jane’s Punisher’s sudden-beard”-case all over again. How many time has gone since the Gezon-Reco’s big siege anyway? Anyway, this is a good episode overall. It has good fights (the boss mech reminds me of that "origami-armed" angel from Evangelion), Muetta able to get her mech back, and Zeru is not dead (yet) which I like. And that reveal that Lefil was from his race (species?) makes him even more comparable to Piccolo/Kami from DBZ. Oh, and I would've laugh with the "mom addressing the death flag"-joke, but I didn't because I've seen funnier joke on death flags in Argevollen (and Majestic Prince too IIRC) before this. __________________

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FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	I guess we'll have to wait to find out exactly how long that is. Doesn't necessarily mean the revolutions of Earth. They'd probably use some standardized orbit so they wouldn't get confused going to other worlds. Regardless...that does sound like a pretty long time. If humanity stays on top of it and prepares properly then they should be able to defend the planet just fine. That's more than enough time for some massive leaps forward technologically. Of course this is humanity so we might slack off until there's only 20-30 years before the aliens arrive . But yeah, if nothing else I'm also going to presume those guys will show up and be annihilated by an army of Gundams . Is a bit silly that Sebastian survived, but this show has refused to kill good guys before. If those idiots can survive this long then a badass butler should be able to. Well...at least Ken proposed . Good laughs from the embarrassment they faced when realizing basically everyone heard their chatter . __________________ Anime-Evo

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Illsteir ARX-Fake Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pasig-Cainta Borderline	I'm concerned with what Zeru told Tom before piloting the Long-Arm/Raion (the throwing away your humanity talk). We've seen the benefits of the nanomachines with Ken's hyper healing but is that all there is to it? __________________

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zztop Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013	I was so certain the battle against the Efiolg would be drawn out over eps 24-26... Do you think Kuromukuro will ever address the mystery of who or what the Efidolg race truly are? Because if what we've seen so far is just a brainwashed clone army of the Efidolg's subjects...

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Benigmatica Deadpan Rambler Join Date: Nov 2012	Episode 24: It's a miracle to see "Sebastian" Mozuki alive! Also, looks like the Gezon-Reco Frontier Force has been defeated, but it appears that Efidolg will send a Reform Fleet at normal speed even though the hinge stone is deactivated. Still, I wish the mystery surrounding Efidolg will be answered on the last two episodes instead of dragging the conflict on for all eternity!

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Uribatake Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007	Mmm, does that mean there will be a 224-year timeskip next episode? I can't imagine how Earth could beat Efidolg's full forces, so maybe they'll just be like "well, that's a problem for our descendants 224 years from now". Sucks to be them.

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Qikz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Age: 33	Invading in 224 years? Meh, not their problem. Leave that for another generation to deal with.

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coded321 He Who Games Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: the virtual world	i really hope this series doesn't follow the glasslip ending...

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ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Spoiler: Further interrogation of Lefil reveal Zeru's people are still out there fighting the Efidolg. If they can last for the next 224 years Earth potentially has an ally to link up with. Publicly the UN has the Hinge destroyed in battle. Keeping it classified and hidden. The Efidolg mechs were taken in. Tom burns his orders for redeployment. He can''t smoke as he likes to. Perhaps due to the nanomachines in his body. Those modified by Efidolg nanotechnology are essentially immortal... As long nobody kills them. According to Dr, Hausen's investigation. 450 years ago the Oni and Efildolg raced each other in space. For the Efidolg to invade those worlds. For the Oni to protect them. Zeru's fortress and most of his crew were killed in battle. He and a companion infiltrated the enemy fortress saving Yukihime and Ken as they are the only ones alive. Those that the Efidolg abducted were the genetic templates of the next squad to invade Earth. Yoruba survived and is the UN's prisoner. Muetta tries to convince him but to no avail. One of the guards wonders why they can't just kill him as he is an Efidolg. When you think about it how much money is gonna spent on this guy being kept prisoner. As long as you feed him and such he wont die. Guess the UN is hoping a long term Stockholm syndrome to set it. Mostly biologically speaking he still human. UN has Muetta a shock collar as they do not trust her that much yet. However she has Yukina and Ken's support. But it turns out she is a test subject of Hausen who turned mad scientist. Ken tried to fight but was tranquilized. Yukina's mom isn't director anymore thus don't have that much political pull. UN even out a shock collar on Zeru. Pretty much they are being stupid on allies. Ken comes to him making a decision to continue his fight. Joining him in space. So before regretting it Ken dates Yukina. Men in black following them. Pretty much a lovers spat happens as Ken is leaving Yukina behind. Even though Yukina is willing to come with him. Ken doesn't want her in harm's way.

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coded321 He Who Games Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: the virtual world	^next one is supposed to be the last episode

2016-09-24, 07:14	Link #600
Benigmatica Deadpan Rambler Join Date: Nov 2012	Episode 25: So it seems that Efidolg got some opposition. Glad that there are people standing up against tyranny, but there's no indication on what happened to the planet Efidolg. Meanwhile, I can't believe that Kennosuke will leave Yukina-chan behind in order to travel to space together with Muetta and Zeringer. Where's your proposal, Kennosuke-dono!? In any case, I'll have to find that one out on the last episode.