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2017-03-15, 01:38 | Link #42 | |
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Recency bias in entertainment is alive and well in pretty much any fandom. Music, movies, etc.
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2017-03-15, 11:53 | Link #43 | ||||
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I heard that Chobits BD is upconverted from the SD-master because there’s simply no better master for it. It’s not only Chobits. There are many other titles from early 2000s that have the same issue of quality-lacking masters because they rely too much on lackluster digital masters at the time. Note that shows like Gundam SEED was also from early 2000s (back when TV aspect ratio is still 4:3) and to release the Blu-ray version of SEED, Sunrise/Bandai pretty much had to pull (almost) all the stops to overhaul the old SEED footage that was done digitally and dig down deeper into the master. But early digital masters being (for lack of better word) crappy as it was, Sunrise was forced to scavenge new footage they made for the movie compilation and even redraw a number of scenes & sequences from scratch because the digital master was simply not acceptable for BD-quality release. Sunrise/Bandai could afford to do this kind of remaster work for their 50-episode series because they’re freakin’ rich. Other anime from early 00s like Chobits, Aria, Shana, FMP, etc aren’t so lucky. But even with Sundai’s wealth, they couldn’t really dump a budget to redraw all the footage in SEED for a mere remastering project coz that would be like making a brand new Gundam series. So they left some unimportant scenes as is in its digital blurry glory like this one: Also, it’s not only about clarity. The early digital craze of 2000s era somehow also made animators “lazy” as you can see in the thicker outlines in Chobits compared to CCS in my previous comparison. Another example of their “lazyness” is that many animators started to make bangs/fringe transparent which makes the eyebrow visible behind the bangs. Today, some animators got even lazier with the realism to the point that they made glasses frame invisible or disappears to make the eye more visible *ugh*. Anyway, to illustrates how crisp and vibrant some “old anime” compared to early 00s anime, I’m gonna compare the BD images of Yu Yu Hakusho (standard shounen of the time) with BD images of early 00s anime like Higurashi & Shana. YYH has more well-defined shadows, brilliant colors & tone and excellent line details much like CCS. On the other hand, the images in Higurashi is soft and blurry almost like someone rub a vaseline on the figurative camera. Lines aren’t well-defined and colors aren’t as vibrant making it looks flatter compared to 90s anime like YYH. Shana's images look a bit better but still have similar issues as Higurashi. Yep. Each year and decade has its own shit. Before watching old shows, do some research first to filter the goods from the bads and check the ones that interest you the most.
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2017-03-15, 12:44 | Link #44 | |
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I'm with ya on the hentai stuff, but coincidentally that change also happened with the crash too. Bible Black, probably the most "infamous" hentai, was produced from 2000 to 2008. Now I'm starting to wonder how the visual novel industry has changed over the years.
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2017-03-15, 14:41 | Link #45 | |
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Ah yeah. Interesting, I wanna know too.
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2017-03-15, 20:13 | Link #46 | ||
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https://curiouscat.me/kastelpls/post/119975653 On this link on best selling LNs, https://tanoshimi.xyz/2016/09/02/bes...-light-novels/ scroll down to #23, literally first sentence is "not an LN" bake is 8 years old. Kizu anime is less than two months old. It's not old. I don't consider 2 months old. Like I said, no one is comparing other lns to monogatari when monogatari is still being adapted. Cause you know, you can watch a new and recent monogatari instead of complaining that the show you were going to watch is nothing like monogatari. Ah yes, the mostly anime original 2nd season of Shana which had so much issues. And it's 3rd season not even selling much since it only came after 4 years(for reference, FSN UBW came out 9 years after deen's version and it didn't flop anywhere close to shana, if we took zero, then it's 5 years). And the author's new ln series(Kanae's star) also not even selling much. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. There are plenty of LNs that have what you're saying shana has. You're right on haruhi though. Nice, so you actually pick some really popular ln shows to represent older lns, then just pick some no-name ln to represent modern ln. No one cares about gakusen or rakudai in the grand scheme of things. LNs aren't defined by isekai or harem romcoms. Those are trends. But in no way do they represent modern LN. Quote:
Shana wasn't a failure at all especially the first season. What came after though... The 2nd season was basically original and the 3rd season basically skipped to the last few volumes. and the 3rd season technically flopped in sales too. The translation of it got halted for little reason over here in the west. Huh, I don't miss any of that. That wasn't what I was trying to get at though. I just don't think it was that good and that there are plenty of LNs that offer a comparable or better story. |
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It was, but it was quite notable.
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For example, Animesuki could be considered its own bubble. If you were to only extract what Western fans thought solely from the site, you would be missing a lot of the picture.
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2017-03-15, 21:55 | Link #48 | ||
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2017-03-16, 04:58 | Link #49 |
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If I remember somewhat correctly, it was a combination of the large gap between seasons and the loose adaptation which made a lot of light novel readers pissed. Personally I hadn't read the novels, but even so it did still feel like the first season was the strongest, even if the other two were good enough if you just wanted more Shana.
Unpopular though? I'm not sure about that. What happened to Shana is common with anime adaptations. In fact, Shana was relatively lucky. It was given a mostly complete story with a lot of episodes for fans to enjoy. Compare that to "it may or may not ever get another season, so go buy our other merchandise!" status that so many other adaptations get. Even delivered as it was, Shana was given more care than most adaptations, and it's a strong enough brand even today that few would say no to more Shana. Heck, I would recommend Shana precisely because new viewers could go back and get a mostly complete story.
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2017-03-17, 14:36 | Link #50 |
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Some animes I watched last year were definitely old but recommended by fans. Of course, I watched the original Gundam trilogy by Tomino, the two Ashita no Joe series. When I asked about Mazinger, they instead recommended me Mazinkaser and Shin Mazinger. Something similar with the Captain Tsubasa animes because some of them skipped marches. As a result, I had to read the World Youth manga which never was completely covered.
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2017-03-18, 07:06 | Link #51 |
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tldr; No, I never bother to watch older anime. I like the how current industry moving.
I started watched distro'ed anime about 10-11 years ago, (anime which broadcast in TV counted?) I thought I'm kinda avid anime watcher, but after reading posts in this thread, I'm nothing Edit: I even able to understand simple conversation after watching many shows, so I thought I was really avid anime fans Also I can read Kanji but that's thanks to additional effort, Tokyo Raven LN translation was lacked back then Last edited by mashingan; 2017-03-21 at 21:08. |
2017-03-28, 19:05 | Link #52 |
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I do watch old anime series at times, especially when it's the source material that goes before an upcoming series or OVA. Recently, I took the time to watch Patlabor movies and old OVAs again in order to get myself in the mood before the new OVA came out.
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2017-04-14, 14:45 | Link #56 |
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Theres really no point in watching old stuff unless its a recognized masterpiece, or special in some way. At least modern mediocre stuff is easier to watch if nothing else, and it's not like there's infinite time to watch everything and do other stuff you want to do.
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2017-04-14, 21:33 | Link #57 | |
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I've watched Maison Ikkoku and yes, it was good/great SoL-romance. Kimagure is good. I already finished the manga and haven't checked the 48-episode anime simply coz I already know the story. Maybe some time later. And...I am Setsuna? Isn't that a new game released by Square Enix in 2016?? Or is there older anime called I am Setsuna out there???
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2017-04-15, 07:52 | Link #58 | |
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I'll add, for me, this also extends to games. I've done the reverse where you play the old then the new, but from experience just slowly moved away from that. In "theory" moving from older clunkier mechanics to the modern version sounds like the better option, however in practice that just doesn't work out (for me). I won't go too deep but basically it boils down to:
Of course there's a big caveat to this and anime as well, which is that if it's a story continuation thing thrown in there, then you're screwed. Until the franchise reboots or gets the remaster touch anyway. I guess this is probably why we don't have long 52 episode non-kids shows anymore. And why in both anime and games the silent rule of you get 2-3 entries in a series (4 in special cases) and you're done with the storyline in question and have to reboot or relocate in the universe, holds quite a lot of power these days. If a game/anime is at the 3rd iteration with the same cast and overall plot then it gets the benefit of the doubt, but if it's a the 4th iteration then I'm gonna be very cautious of if it's not just beating a dead horse, and if it's past the 4th then it better be some grand masterpiece of the ages that can do no wrong.
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2017-07-17, 09:31 | Link #59 |
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When I became a new anime fan it was first watching old shows that were still around today like One Piece and Hunter x Hunter being my favroite. Though there are some older anime I can't get into cause they are just to old like Lupin the Third... though I love the odd but cool Lupin theme music.
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2017-07-22, 03:29 | Link #60 |
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Define "old" because some here are like talking about One Piece and HUNTER x HUNTER as being "old" when they are more towards "new" titles from my POV, as being born in 1980, my view of old would be anything before 1980. By in large, that would be more of the Tezuka Osamu's Mushi Pro era and the early works of those who parted ways with Mushi Pro, which then goes into anime history.
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