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Stark700 · 2018-03-17, 16:28

Episode 23 is here and there's only one more left.

Really glad to see Titania and Oberon this episode. It's been awhile.

I don't admire Cartaphilus much in this show but it's nice to get an insight on his character even if it's this late in the season. The fact that Chise saw his past is definitely bothering him considering what he's been through.

A very intense and emotional episode.

Mad Pierrot · 2018-03-17, 16:37

Wait, only one left Stark700? Wonder if they are going to solve Ellias and Chise' relationship

grecefar · 2018-03-17, 19:23

Well there's mariel that can tell chise that was her who put the idea in elias head, before that elias wouldn't haven't done that or at least it wasn't show that he was thinking of it or didn't know about it.

Kanon · 2018-03-17, 19:44

Joseph and Cartaphilus were originally two different persons, huh. Cartaphilus didn't seem to be evil, since it was only after Joseph merged with him (or more like, took over) that they started killing people for body parts. He was probably the one trying to reach out to Chise in her dreams.

Loli Titania was nice, but damn if Oberon and her didn't look creepy as hell when they tried to bring Elias over to their side. They're not bad though, since they still helped him even after he rejected them.

Can't believe there's only one episode left. I'll miss this show.

Mangaka-chan · 2018-03-17, 19:55

I'm very curious how the anime is gonna wrap up the story. As of this weekend's episode the anime and manga are on the same spot. It feels like the plot is demanding that Chise be the one to end Joseph/Cartophilus, but for someone whom no one could kill for over 2,000 years, I wonder how she's going to accomplish this without the story resorting to deus ex machina. There's also the thorny issue (no pun intended) of how she's going to reconcile with Elias, or if they'll even reconcile at this point. Personally, I don't want her to forgive him so easily and that they remain apart for a while longer, but I kinda doubt that's actually going to happen.

Mad Pierrot · 2018-03-17, 20:03

Considering the series' tone Mangaka-chan, I kind of expect a sad ending.

LKK · 2018-03-17, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Mangaka-chan

I'm very curious how the anime is gonna wrap up the story. As of this weekend's episode the anime and manga are on the same spot. It feels like the plot is demanding that Chise be the one to end Joseph/Cartophilus, but for someone whom no one could kill for over 2,000 years, I wonder how she's going to accomplish this without the story resorting to deus ex machina. There's also the thorny issue (no pun intended) of how she's going to reconcile with Elias, or if they'll even reconcile at this point. Personally, I don't want her to forgive him so easily and that they remain apart for a while longer, but I kinda doubt that's actually going to happen.

Well, since Cartophilus' curse is the result of God's curse, a deus ex machina removal is probably the only real way it can be removed. What Chise might be able to do though is separate Joseph and Cartophilus from the 1 body allowing Joseph's soul to pass on and leaving Cartophilus to continue his unending wandering. I haven't really thought this theory through so I'm sure there are plenty of holes that could collapse the whole idea.

SeaDoor · 2018-03-17, 23:06

What was up with Titania being so far off model from her first appearance? All the other characters looked fine but her. Also, giving Chise a ride to help her catch up will never be enough for an apology. Yep, it appears she intends to kill Joseph.

Mangaka-chan · 2018-03-17, 23:39

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Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot

Considering the series' tone Mangaka-chan, I kind of expect a sad ending.

I'm not sure. The show certainly doesn't sugar coat how life works i.e. there isn't always a happy ending, but on the same measure life isn't all doom and gloom. I think the anime will go for a middle ground, where things don't end picture-perfect-peachy but not entirely bitter sweet either.

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Originally Posted by LKK

Well, since Cartophilus' curse is the result of God's curse, a deus ex machina removal is probably the only real way it can be removed. What Chise might be able to do though is separate Joseph and Cartophilus from the 1 body allowing Joseph's soul to pass on and leaving Cartophilus to continue his unending wandering. I haven't really thought this theory through so I'm sure there are plenty of holes that could collapse the whole idea.

I don't think separating them will solve the problem. Joseph's wish all along was to help Cartophilus, but that ended up horribly twisted. If they were separated, Chise would still have to deal with a completely helpless but incredibly miserable individual. I just can't envision Chise leaving Cartophilus as a pathetic living corpse. He would be helpless, but for how long? How could she prevent someone else taking pity on him only for Cartophilus to twist that into another tragedy? The bottom line is, if she really wants to erase the root of all of their problems her only real option is to somehow destroy him.

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Originally Posted by SeaDoor

What was up with Titania being so far off model from her first appearance? All the other characters looked fine but her. Also, giving Chise a ride to help her catch up will never be enough for an apology. Yep, it appears she intends to kill Joseph.

In the manga Titania was also drawn as such. IIRC, the reason for her looking so much younger

Spoiler for spoiler:

blakstealth · 2018-03-18, 00:24

I can't see Chise coming out of this alive. I can't believe this is almost over, but I feel like there are so many more questions left unsaid so far.

Twi · 2018-03-18, 09:34

Review and recap is done. This episode officially caught up to the manga and it's coming to an end soon.

I loved this episode. Not only does things with Chise feel so great from how we've watched her grow, but each and everyone of these characters feel like they have a fully-realized backstory to them that you just don’t know. Mariel’s past with Phyllis is one that I’d like to explore someday, along with what happened to Chise’s brother and father.

And Alice's reaction when Renfred didn't have one, along with Blue Flame's talk, makes me believe she's got a lot of inherent talent. We're about to make a pact, aren't we? It makes sense given was introduced the same time that Ruth and the contract was introduced, so there's some good symmetry there.

There wasn't as much differences between the manga and anime this time though:

Spoiler for Manga differences:

The first is that the scene with Mariel is given some more details. She makes magical charms and such, like an item to draw away bad luck, that she sells while listing it as a “massage” as far as payments go. She also feels as Elias and Titania pass by, and at first denies being responsible for what happened until Phyllis reminds her that it’ll weigh on her soul.

The second is that Joseph’s past is elaborated on a little more. He’s actually from a line of magus, with healing and necromancy (the ability to speak to the dead) having been passed down his family line through generations in that land, making it hard for him to really speak to the living more than the dead.

The anime also toned down that beating that Joseph got somewhat, because these guys broke into his home to beat him since the farming was going bad this year and guess who they blamed for it? When they saw Cartaphilus, they mistook him for a corpse and used that as even more justification for knocking him about. Joseph wanted to leave that winter because there was barely any crops stockpiled so if they didn’t leave then they really could have died.

The third is about the wraiths. These things were born from as many materials as he had chimeras, meaning there were a lot of then. Coming into contact with them for too long damages the soul, so they kind of needed Blue Flame to deal with it.

The fourth is that Chise isn’t aware that Elias is in her shadow until she orders Ruth to get inside and finds that he can’t. That makes her angrier again and tells him not to apologize unless he means it, but she needs his help. She also doesn’t get why Mariel was upset about her curses getting worse.

The fifth is the transformation magic used. Mariel explains that witches can briefly turn into animals, but its complicated and they’re not as good at it. Simply running while carrying Chise exhausts her to the point of passing out after she nearly runs down Joseph in an alleyway, whereupon Chise converses with him a final time before telling him that she can relate to him, but dragging her friends into this and meeting the people he’s hurt means she can’t let him keep doing things as he has.

So she tells him that’s why she’s going to destroy him as the bindings on her arm come undone.

Kanon · 2018-03-18, 13:21

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Originally Posted by Mangaka-chan

In the manga Titania was also drawn as such. IIRC, the reason for her looking so much younger

Spoiler for spoiler:

I thought the episode explained it well. Loli Titania is just a "branch", basically a fragment of the real Titania, hence her looking like a little girl. We even see several other branches too. Your first explanation is correct, I don't see any reason to dig further than that.

Mad Pierrot · 2018-03-18, 16:37

https://twitter.com/kuroha002/status/975376199445655552

Check this cosplayer

EDIT

Also this outtake

https://twitter.com/KylePhillipsFUN/...18713065230336

serenade_beta · 2018-03-24, 03:28

Spoiler for final thoughts:

Stark700 · 2018-03-24, 12:55

Ooh, I thought the finale had some intense feelings. We got Chise trying to stop Cartaphilus and make things right. I felt the psychology of this finale was pretty well done. That insert song is also quite beautiful imo during that embrace scene.

After battling her own personal demons, she's also able to make up with Elias. and putting on a beautiful dress. Overall, I thought this was an incredible journey for Chise since being introduced in the beginning.

It also adapted some of my favorite chapters from the manga and I'm quite satisfied with that.

Going to miss this anime for sure.

PreSage · 2018-03-24, 13:40

Caught up with the anime just in time for the last episode to pop up. Wow, this anime was amazing! The visual and the music were big parts that made it one of the best. Will miss this show. Was surprised they ended it with Elias and Chise exchanging rings! lol, wonder if we'll get that in the manga end?

SeaDoor · 2018-03-24, 14:45

As far as a series ending this was about as good as I could hope for. The entire adaptation was really well done and I am happy with it. As far as the last episode goes...

The ending was satisfying but the conclusion of the Joseph story was a bit out of left field for me. Felt the reveal was especially unearned and just pulled out of thin air to explain Joseph. That was a bit of a let down. Their rings both being on blackened hands was an excellent visual though.

Could I possibly ask for one more episode? Silky's story please!

orion · 2018-03-24, 16:41

He would need to release her from slavery for the rings to count imo.

Kanon · 2018-03-24, 18:55

So Chise's solution to Joseph's problem was to use her specialty on him: putting people to sleep. This is merely a temporary solution though.

The ending provided a bit of closure, but there are still loose ends to tie up (Chise's dad and Ashen eyes mainly). I thought Chise forgave Elias and Ruth way too easily, but I understand they didn't really have time to properly show them making up. The end scene kind of made up for it anyway, assuming Elias makes good on his promise.

8/10. Really good show I enjoyed from start to finish.

thundrakkon · 2018-03-25, 00:40

It was a beautiful show, and it was satisfying to watch.

If I understand things correctly, did Cartaphilus separate from Joseph, making Joseph normal now? And not only that, Cartaphilus is now in Chise with the dragon curse to balance things out?

Also, does this also mean that Ashen Eyes was the one who possessed Chise's mom to suicide?

Other than that, there are 2 loose ends for me. The first is that at the end of the first cours, they showed Chise in some white magician outfit as a preview for the season, yet we didn't see any of that here. It had a hood, and she had a staff with green leafy things on top. It was definitely an awesome outfit, and I'm disappointed it wasn't shown in the actual series.

The other loose end is what happened to her brother and father, assuming that Ashen Eyes was the one that brought her mom to death?

Other than that, it was a very wonderful end to a wonderful series.

2018-03-17, 16:28	Link #481
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Episode 23 is here and there's only one more left. Really glad to see Titania and Oberon this episode. It's been awhile. I don't admire Cartaphilus much in this show but it's nice to get an insight on his character even if it's this late in the season. The fact that Chise saw his past is definitely bothering him considering what he's been through. A very intense and emotional episode. __________________

2018-03-17, 16:37	Link #482
Mad Pierrot Corrupted fool Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: I'm everywhere Age: 33	Wait, only one left Stark700? Wonder if they are going to solve Ellias and Chise' relationship __________________

2018-03-17, 19:44	Link #484
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Joseph and Cartaphilus were originally two different persons, huh. Cartaphilus didn't seem to be evil, since it was only after Joseph merged with him (or more like, took over) that they started killing people for body parts. He was probably the one trying to reach out to Chise in her dreams. Loli Titania was nice, but damn if Oberon and her didn't look creepy as hell when they tried to bring Elias over to their side. They're not bad though, since they still helped him even after he rejected them. Can't believe there's only one episode left. I'll miss this show. __________________

2018-03-17, 20:03	Link #486
Mad Pierrot Corrupted fool Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: I'm everywhere Age: 33	Considering the series' tone Mangaka-chan, I kind of expect a sad ending. __________________

2018-03-18, 09:34	Link #491
Twi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Review and recap is done. This episode officially caught up to the manga and it's coming to an end soon. I loved this episode. Not only does things with Chise feel so great from how we've watched her grow, but each and everyone of these characters feel like they have a fully-realized backstory to them that you just don’t know. Mariel’s past with Phyllis is one that I’d like to explore someday, along with what happened to Chise’s brother and father. And Alice's reaction when Renfred didn't have one, along with Blue Flame's talk, makes me believe she's got a lot of inherent talent. We're about to make a pact, aren't we? It makes sense given was introduced the same time that Ruth and the contract was introduced, so there's some good symmetry there. There wasn't as much differences between the manga and anime this time though: Spoiler for Manga differences: The first is that the scene with Mariel is given some more details. She makes magical charms and such, like an item to draw away bad luck, that she sells while listing it as a “massage” as far as payments go. She also feels as Elias and Titania pass by, and at first denies being responsible for what happened until Phyllis reminds her that it’ll weigh on her soul. The second is that Joseph’s past is elaborated on a little more. He’s actually from a line of magus, with healing and necromancy (the ability to speak to the dead) having been passed down his family line through generations in that land, making it hard for him to really speak to the living more than the dead. The anime also toned down that beating that Joseph got somewhat, because these guys broke into his home to beat him since the farming was going bad this year and guess who they blamed for it? When they saw Cartaphilus, they mistook him for a corpse and used that as even more justification for knocking him about. Joseph wanted to leave that winter because there was barely any crops stockpiled so if they didn’t leave then they really could have died. The third is about the wraiths. These things were born from as many materials as he had chimeras, meaning there were a lot of then. Coming into contact with them for too long damages the soul, so they kind of needed Blue Flame to deal with it. The fourth is that Chise isn’t aware that Elias is in her shadow until she orders Ruth to get inside and finds that he can’t. That makes her angrier again and tells him not to apologize unless he means it, but she needs his help. She also doesn’t get why Mariel was upset about her curses getting worse. The fifth is the transformation magic used. Mariel explains that witches can briefly turn into animals, but its complicated and they’re not as good at it. Simply running while carrying Chise exhausts her to the point of passing out after she nearly runs down Joseph in an alleyway, whereupon Chise converses with him a final time before telling him that she can relate to him, but dragging her friends into this and meeting the people he’s hurt means she can’t let him keep doing things as he has. So she tells him that’s why she’s going to destroy him as the bindings on her arm come undone. __________________

2018-03-17, 19:23	Link #483
grecefar Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Blue Notes Blues	Well there's mariel that can tell chise that was her who put the idea in elias head, before that elias wouldn't haven't done that or at least it wasn't show that he was thinking of it or didn't know about it.

2018-03-17, 19:55	Link #485
Mangaka-chan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: California	I'm very curious how the anime is gonna wrap up the story. As of this weekend's episode the anime and manga are on the same spot. It feels like the plot is demanding that Chise be the one to end Joseph/Cartophilus, but for someone whom no one could kill for over 2,000 years, I wonder how she's going to accomplish this without the story resorting to deus ex machina. There's also the thorny issue (no pun intended) of how she's going to reconcile with Elias, or if they'll even reconcile at this point. Personally, I don't want her to forgive him so easily and that they remain apart for a while longer, but I kinda doubt that's actually going to happen.

2018-03-17, 23:06	Link #488
SeaDoor Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Southeastern US	What was up with Titania being so far off model from her first appearance? All the other characters looked fine but her. Also, giving Chise a ride to help her catch up will never be enough for an apology. Yep, it appears she intends to kill Joseph.

2018-03-18, 00:24	Link #490
blakstealth Les Pays Bass Join Date: Jun 2011	I can't see Chise coming out of this alive. I can't believe this is almost over, but I feel like there are so many more questions left unsaid so far.

2018-03-18, 16:37	Link #493
Mad Pierrot Corrupted fool Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: I'm everywhere Age: 33	https://twitter.com/kuroha002/status/975376199445655552 Check this cosplayer EDIT Also this outtake https://twitter.com/KylePhillipsFUN/...18713065230336 __________________ Last edited by Mad Pierrot; 2018-03-20 at 20:11.

2018-03-24, 03:28	Link #494
serenade_beta そのおっぱいで13才 Join Date: Dec 2006	Spoiler for final thoughts: Meh, the only reason I bothered to watch this show to the end was because my friend is a fan of the original source and OVA and suggested it to me. BTW, that friend didn't continue watching the anime. 6/10 While it wasn't necessarily "bad", I had a hard time getting into it, and it was pretty boring most of the time. After thinking about it, I guess the reasons are 1. The main characters are not interesting or likeable and I couldn't care less about them 2. The atmosphere sucks. As my friend says, Yuru Camp has more BGMs that fit this anime than this anime does. On the other hand, the stories that focused on sub-characters like the old man and the half-naked(?) chick haunting him were actually fairly good. Oh, the main antagonist sucks too, but he technically goes in the "main characters" slot, so whatever. __________________ -Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)

2018-03-24, 12:55	Link #495
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Ooh, I thought the finale had some intense feelings. We got Chise trying to stop Cartaphilus and make things right. I felt the psychology of this finale was pretty well done. That insert song is also quite beautiful imo during that embrace scene. After battling her own personal demons, she's also able to make up with Elias. and putting on a beautiful dress. Overall, I thought this was an incredible journey for Chise since being introduced in the beginning. It also adapted some of my favorite chapters from the manga and I'm quite satisfied with that. Going to miss this anime for sure. __________________

2018-03-24, 13:40	Link #496
PreSage Strangely dependable... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: some random place out there...	Caught up with the anime just in time for the last episode to pop up. Wow, this anime was amazing! The visual and the music were big parts that made it one of the best. Will miss this show. Was surprised they ended it with Elias and Chise exchanging rings! lol, wonder if we'll get that in the manga end? __________________ :\|::\|Sig Gallery\|::\|: --------------- [/TH][/TR][/table]

2018-03-24, 14:45	Link #497
SeaDoor Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Southeastern US	As far as a series ending this was about as good as I could hope for. The entire adaptation was really well done and I am happy with it. As far as the last episode goes... The ending was satisfying but the conclusion of the Joseph story was a bit out of left field for me. Felt the reveal was especially unearned and just pulled out of thin air to explain Joseph. That was a bit of a let down. Their rings both being on blackened hands was an excellent visual though. Could I possibly ask for one more episode? Silky's story please!

2018-03-24, 16:41	Link #498
orion Waiting for more taiyuki! Join Date: Jan 2004	He would need to release her from slavery for the rings to count imo. __________________

2018-03-24, 18:55	Link #499
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	So Chise's solution to Joseph's problem was to use her specialty on him: putting people to sleep. This is merely a temporary solution though. The ending provided a bit of closure, but there are still loose ends to tie up (Chise's dad and Ashen eyes mainly). I thought Chise forgave Elias and Ruth way too easily, but I understand they didn't really have time to properly show them making up. The end scene kind of made up for it anyway, assuming Elias makes good on his promise. 8/10. Really good show I enjoyed from start to finish. __________________

2018-03-25, 00:40	Link #500
thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	It was a beautiful show, and it was satisfying to watch. If I understand things correctly, did Cartaphilus separate from Joseph, making Joseph normal now? And not only that, Cartaphilus is now in Chise with the dragon curse to balance things out? Also, does this also mean that Ashen Eyes was the one who possessed Chise's mom to suicide? Other than that, there are 2 loose ends for me. The first is that at the end of the first cours, they showed Chise in some white magician outfit as a preview for the season, yet we didn't see any of that here. It had a hood, and she had a staff with green leafy things on top. It was definitely an awesome outfit, and I'm disappointed it wasn't shown in the actual series. The other loose end is what happened to her brother and father, assuming that Ashen Eyes was the one that brought her mom to death? Other than that, it was a very wonderful end to a wonderful series. __________________