Shingeki no Kyojin (Attack on Titan) - Manga discussion

[grecefar]

dammit sasha, dammit eren, dammit zeke, damm everything...

great chapter btw.

[The Small One]

I'm surprised, that according to the conversation the whole thing was Zeke's plan. Not Eren, Armin or Levi, but Zeke… Now I'm really curious for a flashback. How did it happen, that he changed his mind so drastically and how did he approach the people from Paradis, especially without anyone noticing.

[KikeLyne]

Should have brought a potato or meat as a bullet protector.
Still, Sasha had several close calls in the story. Guess death finally caught her.

Still, not sure what to feel of the corps's hungry lady didn't get eaten like food. Also, the one who shot and killed her was the 1 she spared/'ignored'.

[Kanon]

I have mixed feelings about Sasha's death. It's good to know the characters from the original group are no longer safe, but the way it happened was just so abrupt. And I don't know if it was intentional or not, but Eren asking what her final words were with a super bleak look on his face only to be told it was "meat" was way too funny. She died as she lived, constantly thinking about food.

Originally Posted by The Small One

I'm surprised, that according to the conversation the whole thing was Zeke's plan. Not Eren, Armin or Levi, but Zeke… Now I'm really curious for a flashback. How did it happen, that he changed his mind so drastically and how did he approach the people from Paradis, especially without anyone noticing.

I think the answer to the last question is in the chapter. He had some of his followers participate in the attempted invasions of Paradis and had them act as emissaries. We do need a flashback for the rest though. I particularly want to know why the Survey Corps decided to trust him after he killed so many of them.

[Twi]

Sasha sparing Gabi ended up costing her life in the end. The cruel irony.

[Ruki0089]

Cruel fate waiting for Gabi...

[Toukairin]

Originally Posted by Ruki0089

Cruel fate waiting for Gabi...

Very painful death coming. I wonder what that will be. Having seen quite the lot of ways to die in Game of Thrones, Isayama better come up with something that will be extremely satisfying for the reader.

[Twi]

Nah. She's got to "learn" just how wrong that propaganda spiel was and that Reiner's words were being misinterpreted. If they were going to kill them, Jean would've tossed the out of the blimp to their deaths.

[Kanon]

Yeah, they're not going to kill them. They will most likely try to educate them. It should be easy with Falco, but not so much with Gabi.

By the way, I wonder what kind of repercussions Piecke recognizing Zeke's follower will have. Zeke intended to fake his death, but now Marley will strongly suspect he's still alive and has defected. Another miscalculation on his part.

[MK-95-]

Originally Posted by Toukairin

Very painful death coming. I wonder what that will be. Having seen quite the lot of ways to die in Game of Thrones, Isayama better come up with something that will be extremely satisfying for the reader.

Quoting your post has nothing to do with what I'm about to post, but I couldn't help but laugh at the fact that what you said is in direct contrast with the easy-going look/atmosphere of your avatar.

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Anyway @thread, unfortunately Gabi may be one of the few to see this through to the end. After all the exposure she's had since her introduction, I don't see her dying at all. That said, I'm not sure whether Falco dies or not yet, because the empathy/understanding of the situation he shows is exactly what can get him killed later on.

Tho, I'm curious as to who in Paradis would be paired with Gabi in to serve as her guide/mentor during her re-education process. She has a lot in common with Eren, but that was the old Eren. As he is now, it isn't exactly a good matchup. Besides, I'm pretty sure Falco would be the one paired with Eren anyway.

[Jan-Poo]

I'm not sure how good this whole operation will turn out to be. In the end everyone else was contrary to this attack, and I don't think it was just out of concern for the danger Eren would put himself in.

While it seems that some countries are supporting Paradis it seems also clear that there are many others, if not the majority, that will not take well this attack and the fact that the Eldians recovered the majority of the 9 titans.

Paradis is going to face even more wars in the near future, and Zeke's and Eren's plan only seems to involve getting powerful enough to crush any opposition. I'm not sure this is really the best path to take for them, especially when flying superiority is going to decide the outcome of wars in the near future.


Anyway I think Gabi's beliefs are going to take a very huge shock now that she has seen Zeke's betrayal, but I wonder what she'll actually decide to do in the end. I'm almost certain that Falco is going to switch sides though.

Also, I wonder what Reiner will do from now on, but I guess he won't live much longer.

[Kyero Fox]

Sasha dies in such a shit way. I'm so mad....

Killed by a freakin brat.

This series went down hill ever sense the time skip to be honest...

[Ken Sanders]

This is my take on Ch.105:

Sasha's Death
- The Squad were simply careless this time. They are still inside the enemy territory even they are in a Blimp. No matter what happens, never let your guard down. Be it Air, Land or Water. Many things could happened. And what they did, they just celebrate that they have succeeded their strategy.

No, you don't celebrate in a hostile place. Casual greeting is fine but be vigilant. Secure and guard your exits for potential pursuits from the enemies. Check your cables to those who are still connected outside. If there is something wrong with the cable such as increase of weight or anything, cut it. If all your members are inside, close the exits so that to prevent Snipers to get a clear shot or Bombs that might get through.

You will only feel safe until you arrive at a safe zone. Until then, raise your wariness to the fullest until you are out of the enemy territory.

If they have done all that, they could have prevent Sasha from being shot by the Kid. We cannot blame Eren for this matter.

[Ruki0089]

It's Sasha's fault for killing Gabi, Jean and Sasha hestitate.
Especially they are in enemies territory... It's wrong killing children? Don't give me that shit...

[Kyero Fox]

I hope the Anime doesn't go the mangas god awful route.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

While it seems that some countries are supporting Paradis it seems also clear that there are many others, if not the majority, that will not take well this attack and the fact that the Eldians recovered the majority of the 9 titans.

No one knows the Beast Titan is on their side yet.

Also, they were going to face war either way. Hell, Eren did not actually begin attacking until Marlay announced they were declaring all-out war. Can't get butthurt when you declare war and then promptly get your ass handed to you.

[Ligerleon89]

Originally Posted by GDB

No one knows the Beast Titan is on their side yet.

Also, they were going to face war either way. Hell, Eren did not actually begin attacking until Marlay announced they were declaring all-out war. Can't get butthurt when you declare war and then promptly get your ass handed to you.

Yeah. They can't entirely put this on Eren, but it's too late, despite Sasha's errors that led to her death. Eren has no choice but to regain the trust of his comrades after this tremendous payoff of the mission. It already hurts to see Eren taking this hard, and he won't have long to live. He just wants this thing down and over with before dying. And his objectives until he regains that trust is going to be more difficult, and Sasha's life is on his hands.

[The Small One]

I think that the slow death of Sasha was something different. Usually the people die especially fast in this manga, beeing crushed or eaten by Titans. This time there was some suspense which was kinda new.

Talking about death: How long do the Shifters have left to live?
Reiner, Annie and Zeke are probably the first to reach their time limit, but how long do they have?

[GDB]

Originally Posted by The Small One

Talking about death: How long do the Shifters have left to live?
Reiner, Annie and Zeke are probably the first to reach their time limit, but how long do they have?

Assuming they all got their powers at the same time (I don't recall when Zeke did), I think they had less than a year left. Pieck is probably in the same boat as them, unless Marlay was smart enough to stagger their Titans. Eren I think had... 3 years left? Don't recall, it's been a while.

That being said, I could easily see them saying that since Eren ate another Titan, it either resets his timer, adds another "cycle" to him, or adds whatever was left of that Titan's time to his.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by GDB

No one knows the Beast Titan is on their side yet.

They're pretty close to figuring that out already.

Originally Posted by GDB

Also, they were going to face war either way. Hell, Eren did not actually begin attacking until Marlay announced they were declaring all-out war. Can't get butthurt when you declare war and then promptly get your ass handed to you.

But that was Taybar's plan all along.

Marley realized that the whole world was against them and that they could no longer avoid being crushed with the few titan powers they had remaining.

So from Chapter 100 we learned that they devised a plan to shift the hatred of the world back to the Eldians. All that huge event they organized was just a bait for Paradis. They knew that Paradis would take that chance to strike at them. The Taybar head was willing to sacrifice his life for that.

They wouldn't have done all that if they believed that the world would be convinced by mere words, they wanted the world to witness the danger Paradis island could pose.

Eren basically played into Taybar's hand.

Of course war would have happened anyway, but it would have been a multiple fronts war with many still fighting Marley.

Now a lot of countries are going to side with Marley to fight Paradis and if the chances of convincing the world that Eldians aren't demons were low to begin with, now they are even lower.


I don't know, it could even be that Eren willingly played his part in taybar's plan, knowing that all the Eldians in Marley would have been slaughtered by the invaders after the inevitable country's fall. That would explain why Zeke is allied with him. But how does he plan to deal with the hatred he redirected to Paradis now?