2010-12-24, 16:54 | Link #20281 | |
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Regarding the long post about Jessica being the other Battler. There is a red truth in the way of your theory: All people can only use their own names!! You're trying to get around this with "kun" vs "chan" but that doesn't seem very plausible to me.
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2) Yasu wasn't killed by Jessica, she killed herself after her meeting with Battler. I imagine the grates of the well were big enough to let a gun fall through. 3) Doesn't mean she's a culprit. Just means she saw George die and knew she was next. Maybe George was shot after denying that witches exist, and Jessica was trying to help Battler avoid that fate. 4) Unless someone unlocks the door, shoots Jessica, then locks the door. |
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2010-12-24, 17:01 | Link #20282 | |
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2010-12-24, 17:22 | Link #20284 |
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It sure is suspicious. I don't think Erika can be a real person.
If she is a real live person, then it just doesn't make any sense that she goes around killing people she doesn't even know. With all of the emphasis placed on motives and heart in these games, I just can't accept a random person murders people. |
2010-12-24, 17:30 | Link #20285 |
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Remember, her profile said she fell off a boat at the same time as the Ushiromiya explosion. Because of the higher profile of the explosion, people forgot about Erika being missing. People, including her family, speculated that she washed up on Rokkenjima but no evidence of that possibility was found by the police. People then decided to speculate that she indeed was.
It doesn't make much sense for her to be the real killer - assuming she lives and is washed up onto the island, what person who looks like they're in high school goes around randomly killing the people who helped them, heh.
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2010-12-24, 17:35 | Link #20286 | |
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But from the beginning it seems like there is no piece Erika, just meta-Erika descending onto the gameboard. Meta-Erika has a reason to kill them: to trap Battler in the logic error. In that sense, I agree that Erika was probably not a real person. |
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2010-12-24, 17:42 | Link #20287 |
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Huh? So now a magical person invades reality? I guess if you assume none of the events are real, then you don't have to worry about anything. But then it isn't even a mystery anymore.
Accepting random murders doesn't sound like a good way to solve anything. And how do you justify the 17/18 numbers at the end up 6? |
2010-12-24, 17:52 | Link #20288 | |
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2010-12-24, 18:09 | Link #20290 |
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This game has repeatedly emphasized that multiple truths can exist at the same time. Remember Erika's speech when she thought she had cornered Beato at the end of Ep6? While any one truth may be "true", it's incomplete if its all you can see. You may not be able to have 18 people and 17 people at the same time, but you can count 18 from one point of view, and 17 from another.
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2010-12-24, 18:16 | Link #20292 |
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Just wondering, since it's slightly relevant, if Shannon and Kanon are supposedly the same person, wouldn't a more correct answer be that there are no more than 16 people on the island?
Couldn't that technically leave room for one more if there are supposed to be, at the most, 17 people on the island, such as Erika?
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2010-12-24, 18:21 | Link #20294 | |
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2010-12-24, 18:23 | Link #20295 | |
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2010-12-24, 18:30 | Link #20296 |
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"♫The red is a truth, from a certain point of view!♫" :D
Yes, even though reds should be objective to Umineko, it often has multiple subjective interpretations.... Which in the end, makes no sense to me either.
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2010-12-24, 18:32 | Link #20297 |
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So to you, saying "There are 17 people in the room" even though there are actually 18 people in the room, is true?
If someone asked me how many people were in the room, and I said "17", I would be wrong. There are actually 18. But you're saying I'm still right? |
2010-12-24, 18:36 | Link #20298 |
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Well, I wouldn't so far as to say that Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father.The red truth is objective. When Battler tried to say he was Asumu's son with the red, he failed. So subjective truth is no good. But you can objectively count 17 or 18 depending on how you are counting. In other words, it depends on the definition of what a person is.
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2010-12-24, 18:37 | Link #20299 |
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How about instead of a group, it's another small room inside of a room. They're 17 people located in the small one, while the 18th person is in the outside room. Now, are there 18 people in the room, or 17? It really just depends if your view is from the inside room, or the big one.
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2010-12-24, 18:40 | Link #20300 | |
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If you're doing it objectively, you're going to get the same number every time. Now, maybe if you were to say "I will count all personas in the game" and "I will count all live humans in the game" you could get different numbers, sure. What you're trying to sell me is: "I will count all personas" and then "I will count all personas except Shannon". |
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