2012-05-13, 15:04 | Link #28822 | |
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2012-05-13, 15:27 | Link #28823 |
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Well, it's been ages that I've read that Episode, so I concede that I might only have been under the impression that Will was already aware of the answer by then.
I guess the manga would even imply that he only realized after the BSOD. So Will only refrained from giving the solution right then and there because he preferred doing it in a more stylish way? xD I'm sure this was already asked (maybe even several times), but was this supposed to be a truly "possible" kakera or some mash-up world of Bernkastel's, or why did Shkanon even exist besides Lion in the first place? If so, she was making things pretty easy for Will, or couldn't she have been able to put in Shanon and Kanon separatly? But why the long flashback of Rosa "killing" Beatrice all over again? Will had already seen all of that before. What was the reason for that? Aura, then I admit that I apparently got the wrong impression. I just found it striking that you pose several questions instead of downright answering, I suppose that's what gave rise to my impression here. So, I guess with "Endless Magic" you're alluding to taking the risk to get the "miracle" or "magic" result? So Battler's suffering was real because he couldn't know for sure whether he'd get out and was actually risking his skin here?
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2012-05-13, 20:07 | Link #28824 |
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Hello. I've got someone on Facebook trying to sell me on this bizarre Rosa/George culprit theory, and specifically mentioned AnimeSuki out of the blue as this "elitist site" who doesn't listen to him or something. Any idea who this is?
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2012-05-13, 23:12 | Link #28825 | |
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And since EP6 was supposed to be Battler demonstrating that he understood and could perform Beatrice's magic, it's natural, and backed by evidence, to conclude that Battler deliberately arranged things to push Beatrice to rescue him.
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2012-05-14, 00:28 | Link #28827 |
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I thought it might be the same guy, but Facebook guy says he isn't, and the writing styles between KNM's comments on YouTube and the other person seem completely different.
Example: This is much, much more clear than... Spoiler for KnownNoMore on YouTube:
This: Spoiler for Guy I'm talking to on Facebook:
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2012-05-14, 06:17 | Link #28832 | |||||
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Even then, Battler was obviously trying to escape from the closed room on his own. Quote:
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...now I feel like saying "What do you think, everyone?". |
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2012-05-14, 07:00 | Link #28833 | |
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And what the hell is an 'elitest'?
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2012-05-14, 07:13 | Link #28834 | ||
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Lambdadelta and Bernkastel told stories about their own logic errors. Once you've created one you're completely alone and terrified and are prompted to solve it yourself or you stop thinking and die. Whether or not you beleive it was Battler's plan to fool Erika it was still his plan to get Beatrice to solve his logic error ,and Battler cannot be 100% certain Beatrice could solve it. He had to keep thinking of how to get out to stay alive so his plan to create a miracle would work. So of course he's going to be terrified either way just like all the others, and will try and solve it himself. I know you don't like the theory, but you're coming off as desperate to try and convince everyone it's not true. Which will simply never happen because you can't prove a negative. Last edited by Judoh; 2012-05-14 at 08:07. |
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2012-05-14, 07:39 | Link #28835 |
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In that case the scene of Beato in EP3 when Eva-Beatrice pierced her with the siestas in pieces was not planned by Beato too? From your logic she couldn't have planned it, because it would contradict the narration! The narration says after all that she was suffering, so she could not have planned it! See the flawed logic here? This already showed us that the narration can lie. Battler also said in EP5???, that the story is NOT viewed from the "eyes of god", but from a subjective point of view. Also for genius Battler, like Judoh said, It's a devils proof, also clues exist in EP5 and in EP6 itself. |
2012-05-14, 07:51 | Link #28837 |
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Furthermore, http://www.yenpress.com/umineko-when-they-cry/ for all your fan-person pleasures. There is hope for me reading the Ep 3 manga yet!
Maybe there is hope for a rondo translation yet? (though actually, is rondo the same text as the VN? If so I'd be happy with a cut paste job and some pretty new artwork) |
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2012-05-14, 09:18 | Link #28839 | |
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In EP6 Battler is NOT the detective. Erika is (or possibly chick-Beato from a fantasy point of view, because Erika may have been invalidated as detective, because of her killings). And as i said above, it has parallels to EP3. Beato acted as if she was in peril too back then. Battler is doing the same now. Why is that so hard to believe? Last edited by GreyZone; 2012-05-14 at 12:59. |
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2012-05-14, 11:05 | Link #28840 | |
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just take a look at this: http://forums.animesuki.com/misc.php...posted&t=83581 these are all the people that posted at least once on this topic. I don't remember anyone in particular who expecially argued about Rosa and George being the culprits, but it is entirely possible that this guy still had to made this story while he was here. I fear you are looking for a needle on haystack, it's probably easier to ask him directly what was his username here.
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