2012-10-14, 22:29 | Link #21 |
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I don't believe assertiveness will end the series so quickly. You will not believe what new problems you have after you decided to bang some girls in the harem. You start to feel that "lcrossroads of life" coming up. The fact you have to think about which girl in the harem is going to be your significant other since once you grow up...looks are going to go away and the only they have is their talents and personality.
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2012-10-14, 23:18 | Link #23 |
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Someone mentioned shoujo and I agree. It's the same. So how about the harem members of a harem anime? We always have our usual few character types. Why are most of the characters about the same? Why is it so easy to see which member of the harem will be the most popular character just by reading 2 lines about the character?
Yes, they may be uninteresting and plain and that's the reason why normal girls won't be interested in him. Think of normal girls as the main girl in shoujo manga. They will only be looking at the good looking ones. The cutest girls have too many handsome guys around them and they are already used to it. So they are more or less immune to the good looking and powerful male characters. Will you prefer a character that constantly think whether the female characters are in love with him over the dense ones? i doubt so. Cause it will be irritating to see the main guy thinking way ahead of himself. I didn't watch much harem anime but for the ones I watched, I feel that most of them deserve their harem. - Maybe slightly off topic: What really defines a harem? When more than 3 characters are in love with the main character? Does it include 'sister' who is a supporting character whom does not have much screen time? Than why aren't manga like 'Namida Usagi'(I cannot think of any other example right now. But there's quite a few I have been reading the same as this series.) considered as '(Reverse)Harem'? At one point of the story, there are 3 characters in love with the main character. I dislike how everyone automatically call a series with and 3girls and 2 guys a harem but not a series with 2girls and 3 guys a reverse harem.
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2012-10-15, 06:40 | Link #25 | |
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I'd pick Dark Schneider and Captain Ohgami over Tenchi any day. As for video games, the infamous bastard known for "GAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!".
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2012-10-15, 07:02 | Link #26 |
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Dark Schneider is fucking awesome. The kind of guy I'd love to see dropping in universes like Nanoha's and Touhou's, just saying.
In the video game field, Takeru Shirogane, for the character development, just enough said. |
2012-10-15, 07:41 | Link #27 |
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Lame male protagonists have prevented me from enjoying many decent shows. On the other hand, I liked Keitaro from Love Hina even though he falls into most harem protagonist stereotypes. So I think a harem protagonist can be a good character even if he's dense, weak, useless etc as long as it's done right.
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2012-10-15, 10:17 | Link #28 |
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Well, there are male leads that are lecherous, (DXD, Trinity Seven), etc, then they are strong (Tsukihime, Fate/Night, Negima)
The biggest problem with Harem manga is the slippery slope it might end up being a HENTAI Manga instead. For example, I was bored one day and saw a hentai anime, the MC was betrayed years ago by a elf girl (Now Queen), as revenge, he seduced her first borne daughter, her younger loli daughter, the Queen of the Guards, and herself, then proceed to kill the king and seize the throne while taking the entire group as his harem. How was that with a MC...but then, it wouldn't sell very well Something like that, is still out of the mainstream. |
2012-10-15, 11:34 | Link #29 |
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It's because if the male leads is more interesting then the harem will be unfocused. for example would you think code geass as harem anime? Maybe many of us (including myself) say no, but there still a possibility for it as there is Kaguya (which is suggest the harem), C2, Karen, or even Nunnally.
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I mean romantic comedies over here occasionally toss in actual sex as humour.
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2012-10-15, 13:46 | Link #32 | |
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And once it go past that line, it gets labeled as such and suddenly the readership become difficult. There are a few that can still apply (I.E Future Diary or Ulblatt) but then it is already covered with blood and death that sex would be the least objective material. Personally, I find sex in any anime to be a distraction from the plot anyway. If all the author can think up are sex scenes, then make it hentai and be done with it. I personally think Fate/Night would had been better without the mandatory sex |
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2012-10-15, 14:20 | Link #33 | |
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They're practically the same being. As for anime heroes..... let's not forget the awesome, swagtastic Haran Banjo from Daitarn 3. Rich. Swauve. Badass. Pilots a gigantic mech and whoops alien asses. Lady's man with two girlfriends. SAVES THE GODDAMN WORLD. Yeah, that's right, robot heroes used to be COOL.
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2012-10-15, 14:50 | Link #34 |
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Honestly, Harem protagonists always seem evil to me. They are either too bland or too MAGNIFICIENT, and consequently I always feel like their "targets" are being somehow brainwashed/mindbroken from being the cool and interesting characters they started as, and becoming somehow subservient to the whims of a relatively uninteresting protagonist.
That's not to say that a polygamist, polyamorous or polyandrous relationship can not be dramatically interesting, its just not the standard. That being said, I admit to liking Ouran High School Host Club (and I'm softer on shoujo harems in general, mostly because the featured lead girl is generally just a hot girl wearing glasses (or whatever the trope is called), and it is somehow more fun seeing men act like fools over a romantic interest). |
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2012-10-15, 16:38 | Link #36 |
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Sex is only a "distraction" if it wasn't properly built up to. If there's a solid contextual basis it is just a natural flow of the story line. It should also practically assess the consequences.
And yeah, far too few anime do that properly but there are some gems where even if the sex isn't explicit it had a solid foundation leading up to it.
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2012-10-15, 17:48 | Link #37 | |
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In my opinion, Tenchi is much more willful than most harem protagonists but the real strength of this show is the supporting cast. All of the females are such over-the-top zany (though certainly not very realistic) characters that I can't help but find them entertaining, and Tenchi's grandpa is a true badass, in every sense of the word. |
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2012-10-15, 18:59 | Link #38 | |
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Spoiler for With comparison to Fate/stay night and Tsukihime:
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2012-10-15, 21:48 | Link #39 | ||
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As for Steins;Gate's harem elements, it was mocked by it's own fandisc Hiyoku Renri no Darling |
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2012-10-15, 22:05 | Link #40 | |
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If it's looks, no. Shoujo heroines (even with harems of guys) are treated a lot better than shounen heroes who have harems. I can name a TON of loser/meh guys from harems but only one or two loser/meh girls from shoujo reverse-harems. On the other hand, I can name a ton of harem shows and only a handful of reverse-harem shows, so that might be why. But because the shoujo heroine is supposed to be something of an idol for little Japanese girls, she is normally at least pretty as opposed to the "incredibly plain" design male leads get. She is normally well-liked at least by her target audience, whereas the target audience for the male lead normally hates him or is jealous of him....or just doesn't care about him. If it's personality...that is also a no. Male leads of harems can have really BAD personalities...like being perverted or really indecisive or unloyal or just complete doormats. Shoujo leads of r-h, are normally good girls...and don't normally have bad/unlikable personalities unless you count Miaka from Fushigi Yuugi who is mind-numbingly stupid but is by no means, a girl with loose morals.
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