Code Geass World History & Geography Speculation

[KrimzonStriker]

I'd think it would be possible that they would set up a whole new capital though, just to avoid such a debacle and to solidify their presence in the colonies which is why I put D.C out there. >_>

[DJ_RockmanX]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

By "Loyalist", I was talking about the American colonists who remained loyal to the British crown during the American Revolution., not some general or stateman.

Pennsylvania was a "neutral" state, and Philadelphia was chosen as the de facto capital because of its central location in the colonies. If one is to choose a capital when unconstrained by such considerations, New York/Boston is the logical choice for the monarchy.

The farther away the monarchy is from the colonists that led the American Revolution, the better.

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

Also, I do not see a need to parallel with our United States.

George Washington wouldn't have been around to have the city built anyway. D.C. doesn't have a reason to exist in Geass.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

By "Loyalist", I was talking about the American colonists who remained loyal to the British crown during the American Revolution., not some general or stateman.

Pennsylvania was a "neutral" state, and Philadelphia was chosen as the de facto capital because of its central location in the colonies. If one is to choose a capital when unconstrained by such considerations, New York/Boston is the logical choice for the monarchy.

Also, I do not see a need to parallel with our United States.

I understood what you meant by loyalist.

Pennsylvania may have been a 'neutral' state, but it was still the center of colonial America until D.C. was established as the capital. It was a larger hub than either New York or Boston, and I'd say would make more sense. Also, Boston isn't the best of places since you have the infamous Boston Massacre.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Theron

Assuming that CG reality is based on British victory in American War of Independence the most probable choice would be New York, Philadelphia or Charleston. Those three are equally possible. Boston on the other hand was the starting point for the Revolution. It was most likely levelled afterwards. No one makes a capital out of a city with that kind of history.

Points taken. This makes New York the most possible choice, given its loyalist background, harbor, and central position when considering the entire American colonies at the time.

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

I'd think it would be possible that they would set up a whole new capital though, just to avoid such a debacle and to solidify their presence in the colonies which is why I put D.C out there. >_>

D.C. is capital only to applease the southerners, the most rebellious of the American colonies.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

George Washington wouldn't have been around to have the city built anyway. D.C. doesn't have a reason to exist in Geass.

Actually there were reasons it was built as the capital thanks to its location, and I'd feel it fitting that the monarchy would want to establish there own city rather then simply take over one of the cities of the colonist, whether as a way to symbolize their new control or to refurbish themselves with what they had lost after ousting, or merely to create some kind of new beginning, I can see a lot of reasons why the location of D.C would still be used.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Actually there were reasons it was built as the capital thanks to its location, and I'd feel it fitting that the monarchy would want to establish there own city rather then simply take over one of the cities of the colonist, whether as a way to symbolize their new control or to refurbish themselves with what they had lost after ousting, or merely to create some kind of new beginning, I can see a lot of reasons why the location of D.C would still be used.

I still don't see it. Why would any monarch want to build a capital in a swamp that is the dump of the nation, when they can take a large established city with enough loyalist to help support the monarchy?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Luoyang is the captial of China?

So one of the dynasties prior to 6th century must've prevailed if the captial is sticking there. Perhaps Wei or Han.

[Theron]

Also why not build another capital city? We have a huge chunk of time between the War and the present day. Maybe one or another Emperor decided to set up another city like Peter I did by building Saint Petersburg.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Theron

Also why not build another capital city? We have a huge chunk of time between the War and the present day. Maybe one or another Emperor decided to set up another city like Peter I did by building Saint Petersburg.

Well, if there's a capital of Britannia, I guess we're going to see it sooner or later (probably when Lelouch lays siege to it )

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

I still don't see it. Why would any monarch want to build a capital in a swamp that is the dump of the nation, when they can take a large established city with enough loyalist to help support the monarchy?

Honor I guess, something to shore up there mood after their displacement so starting a whole new city feels like something they would do in my opinion, and it serves a lot of other functions as well.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

Luoyang is the captial of China?

So one of the dynasties prior to 6th century must've prevailed if the captial is sticking there. Perhaps Wei or Han.

Luoyang had been a sub-captial all the way to the founding of Ming. There is a whole lot of reasons for any later dynasties to move to Luoyang.

Originally Posted by Theron

Also why not build another capital city? We have a huge chunk of time between the War and the present day. Maybe one or another Emperor decided to set up another city like Peter I did by building Saint Petersburg.

Why would any Emperor want to build up a new city when New York would already be enough?

Peter I built his city to gain a port and a window to western Europe. The Emperor of Britannia would not need to do such a thing.

[KrimzonStriker]

Why would any Emperor want to build up a new city when New York would already be enough?

Peter I built his city to gain a port and a window to western Europe. The Emperor of Britannia would not need to do such a thing.

Pride, lost honor, a demonstration of ability and might, creating a lost piece of home and a distinction of themselves in relation to their dependence on the colonist, I could think of a number of reasons why they'd do it, capitals have been built for much less after all. >_>

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Anyway, with those potentials off the list, how about the headquarters for the EU? I figure Berlin probably, Paris, or Moscow if not. Though I won't discount Rome either. Still, Geneva might actually be a viable candidate considering it served as a meeting place for the European powers in our own timeline and possibly for the CG universe...

Well, possible cities are Paris, Vienna, Geneva, and Berlin (if Prussia became a major power).

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

About what I thought too. London ain't getting no love, that's for sure... >_>

Obviously. Why have a capital on a small island when you have a continent to consider?

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Germany does exist though, where else would you say its capital is?

Because "Germany" might not be Prussian-centric, but Austrian-centric?

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

Obviously. Why have a capital on a small island when you have a continent to consider?



Because "Germany" might not be Prussian-centric, but Austrian-centric?

Nah, I was just thinking on how far it must have fallen after the Humiliation at Edinburgh myself and comments that England probably never recovered in becoming a prominent player in the world afterwards >_>

I don't know, you'd think if it was Austria is would just be 'Austria'. We couldn't have picked Saxony or Bavaria as potential unifiers?

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Nah, I was just thinking on how far it must have fallen after the Humiliation at Edinburgh myself and comments that England probably never recovered in becoming a prominent player in the world afterwards >_>

The British Isles without a colony would never have been a superpower except in modern times.

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

I don't know, you'd think if it was Austria is would just be 'Austria'. We couldn't have picked Saxony or Bavaria as potential unifiers?

That's the point, "Germany" was a very split place: any of the major players could have unified the area.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

The British Isles without a colony would never have been a superpower except in modern times.




That's the point, "Germany" was a very split place: any of the major players could have unified the area.

A sad ending for a once glorious kingdom <_<


True, though I think Prussia would have had the most success out of all of them probably >_>

[coefficient]

To my mind, revolutionaries in the British Isles means a much more extreme French Revolution. If (and this is a big if) the writers thought out the history of Europe as much as they seem to have thought out China, it really shouldn't look much like anything we know today. Either the Revolutionaries win and dissolve the Empire and monarchies and such (which is my hope - a Revolutionary confederation ;ed by France from which all the reactionaries flee to Britannia, accounting for the various European sources for names over there) or the Reaction wins, in which case Europe is probably dominated by whoever won the eventual Austro-Prussian war. Given the ideological similarities between Britannia and a reactionary Europe centred around the HRE with either a Hohenzollern or Habsburg emperor, I'm betting on the former.

Of course, it's entirely likely that the EU is simply what's present today, given their very similar clothing styles and seeming constitution. Seeing as they thought a very wealthy and radical man like Franklin would be tempted to sell out the continent over a research grant, I'm not too surprised. This is all probably written by bored interns anyway.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by coefficient

To my mind, revolutionaries in the British Isles means a much more extreme French Revolution. If (and this is a big if) the writers thought out the history of Europe as much as they seem to have thought out China, it really shouldn't look much like anything we know today. Either the Revolutionaries win and dissolve the Empire and monarchies and such (which is my hope - a Revolutionary confederation ;ed by France from which all the reactionaries flee to Britannia, accounting for the various European sources for names over there) or the Reaction wins, in which case Europe is probably dominated by whoever won the eventual Austro-Prussian war. Given the ideological similarities between Britannia and a reactionary Europe centred around the HRE with either a Hohenzollern or Habsburg emperor, I'm betting on the former.

Of course, it's entirely likely that the EU is simply what's present today, given their very similar clothing styles and seeming constitution. Seeing as they thought a very wealthy and radical man like Franklin would be tempted to sell out the continent over a research grant, I'm not too surprised. This is all probably written by bored interns anyway.

A thing to add: We have our Napoleon conquering London, but being finally defeated at Waterloo.

Originally Posted by ashlay

there's not going to be a season 3. Lelouch's story was always planned as a 50 episode endeavor.

Who knows? I'm hoping for more seasons.....

[coefficient]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

That's the point, "Germany" was a very split place: any of the major players could have unified the area.

By the late 1700s Prussia was the only German power that could challenge Austria. You'll notice all the other big states were content with "Duke" or "Elector", but the Prussians were "Kings in Prussia". I can't see Bavaria or Saxony managing to rise to prominence in the Empire; even before Prussia gets the Rhineland it's still the other end of the axis in the HRE, and other states' foreign policy is defined by their relationship to one or the other.

Plus they had Frederick the Great on their side. Even if Saxony had comprable numbers of people you're not gonna find a better general or trainer of troops anywhere.

edit: What the hell, Napoleon got London? I haven't managed to get my hands on all the CG supplementary material, so forgive me if I make mistakes. I'm just wondering where the Brits found the ships to escort themselves across the ocean to the Americas if Napoleon managed to ruin the Royal Navy enough to pull a Sealion.