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LoweGear · 2009-03-23, 04:11

Some Crack 4 You

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Keroko · 2009-03-23, 04:44

^ Uhm.. what?

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Originally Posted by stormturmoil

more crack snippet madness from me...(slightly inspired by Tshuryuu's ideas)

apologies to owning Authors for use of concepts, events or Ideas.

for those not in the know, David 'Eerie' Brown is my Character, now slightly modifed to also be a Shooting arts originator/user and onetime teacher of Subaru and Ginga for purposes of this snippet. also, minor Device/power alters, modded profile up later on.

Section 13 is David's department, basically the Bureau's cold-case and X-files section, hence David's 'eerie' nickname.

Spoiler for Training days again:

Oi oi, how many are we planning to introduce?

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Originally Posted by stormturmoil

and on another note (and explaining one of those events referred to):

Spoiler for meet the family...:

enjoy...

Game influences are always amusing to do. :3 And it does explain how Nanoha was so easily allowed to join the military.

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Originally Posted by JamesEdwards

Nanoha's Beamspam. The moment the beamspam leaves Raising Heart and becomes Beamspam! -- is that still MAGIC? Or has it become SCIENCE?

ディバインバスター・エクステンション - Divine Buster ・ Extension
A 「Bombardment spell」 fired and effected from Mana.
Mana concentrated to high density allows the target to be hit directly at long range, with no decrease in power over distance.
The first offensive spell that Nanoha memorized, after 10 years it has remained one of her favorites, and has also become one of her specialty spells

Nop, Nanoha's beamspam is still magic after it left Raising Heart.

Also, I should point out that Touma's imagine breaker breaks down anything created through supernatural means. Even if Fate were to start throwing around Lightning, it will still be negated on the base that it was created through magic.

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Originally Posted by tshouryuu

How about we compromise some? I'm tweak it such that the 500 to 1 becomes something like number 14 took more than 300 tries (damn those micro Spartans blocking successful tissue culture) to get actual cloning to work and nearly 500 to finally succeed in altering the cloned cells. This takes her around 2 years.

Not that I mind, but I'm still confused why there should be 299 dead results at all. I mean, if they're already dead, what does it matter if they're in the story or not?

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Originally Posted by tshouryuu

@Keroko: That sparks a dim memory. Didn't Subaru load cartridges before using Oscillating Breaker when she went berserk?

Yeah, she did, but it was also noted by Subaru that the IS used a different form of energy. I think the cartridge loading was more to power her berserking kicks.

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Originally Posted by JamesEdwards

*Turns off his LURK! field.*

Well, I'll be honest, LE. I am of the school of thought that magic in the Nano-verse is high technology a la Xenosaga. In fact, I believe that is the canonical explanation that high technology is the basis for "magic".

No, technology is used in combination with magic in the Nanohaverse. It is not the base. Case in point: Yuuno.

Tk3997 · 2009-03-23, 05:12

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Originally Posted by JamesEdwards

Well, your first statement is quite an illuminating response on your take of "Magic" in the Nano-verse. But that's cool.

Now, as for the Railgun connundrum, well, gee-whiz, isn't it obvious? Touma nulling the Railgun makes perfect sense. You said so yourself that psychic / esper related phenomenon is delusions made into reality. Therefore:

What is accelerating Railgun?

Mikoto's delusion.

What happened to the 100 yen coin as it was accelerated by her delusion?

It melted / disintegrated.

Therefore, null the delusion and Railgun ceases to be. The 100 yen coin was already destroyed (last time I watched anyways) in the process, so Touma is not in danger from being hit by shrapnel. Also, look at this another way, since Touma nulled the delusion accelerating this coin, it's as if the coin never accelerated in the first place, so it could feasibly just drop right there on the ground in front of him.

And as such, I believe my argument still stands. Is Starlight Breaker - Magic? or Scientific?

If it's magic, obviously Touma wins.

If it's scientific like a gun, he lost. And dang that is the most harmless death ray ever.

*TK suddenly find's himself idly pondering if all the pilots in Ace Combat and Hawx are in fact delusional Espers. Hell it would explain how they can carry 200 missiles and defy the laws of aerodynamics…* Oh sorry, too much HAWX coop tonight. (Which is insanely fun by the way.)

I've been somewhat down this path before and decided that for my own plans it's not really important, since I don't plan to explore the nature or limits of magic. Why it works and where it originates from is less important to me then how it works and the concrete effects it can produce for practical use. Sort of a engineering verse theoretical physics approach I suppose.

Honestly once you get into crossovers like this it largely comes down to what the author says in the end. This rather reminds me of many "verses debates" between universes. Say Universe A has some weapon that can defeat it's version of a shield, so one guy says "Well it will defeat Universes B shields as well". Someone else though says "No it won't universes B shields work differently!". Whose right? Sometimes we can draw on other evidence from the universes to get a decent answer, but sometimes it's basically just a matter of opinion no matter what technobabble one might produce to support their view.

In that kind of situation it's often less important to agonize over such details then it is to just be INTERNALLY consistent with what you decide, the majority of this stuff is ludicrous to start with after all. (Note this is when something is ambiguous, just flying in the face of canon or strongly hinted canon by authorial edict is something else)

Arkeus · 2009-03-23, 06:41

Note two things:

1st, imagination breaker, at least where i was, is limited to touma's hand: If it comes down to it, Nanoha could *easily* target Touma's head with a good numbers of shooters.

2nd: Imagination Breaker, as its name suggest, breaks down delusion. If it works like AMF and destroys magic, purely accelerated attacks like stardust Fall/ Railgun should worry him. If it doesn't and attack the base of it... Well, it, as James said, depends wether Nanoverse' magic is a delusion, or simply a fancy name for an energy the body can collect (remember there *are* artificial magical power cores like the ones in HQ/Cradle.

AS TK said, it comes down to, so far, Author's Word.

Keroko · 2009-03-23, 06:54

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Originally Posted by Arkeus

1st, imagination breaker, at least where i was, is limited to touma's hand: If it comes down to it, Nanoha could *easily* target Touma's head with a good numbers of shooters.

Just like how Izzard targeted his body and arm. We know. That Nanoha can hit him if she avoids the hand is kind of beside the point.

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Originally Posted by Arkeus

2nd: Imagination Breaker, as its name suggest, breaks down delusion. If it works like AMF and destroys magic, purely accelerated attacks like stardust Fall/ Railgun should worry him. If it doesn't and attack the base of it... Well, it, as James said, depends wether Nanoverse' magic is a delusion, or simply a fancy name for an energy the body can collect (remember there *are* artificial magical power cores like the ones in HQ/Cradle.

I'm still wondering how this 'breaks down delusions' thing became a fact, because as far as I recall no specifics on Imagine Breaker were ever released.

That aside, for all intents and purposes it's very easy to say Nanohaverse and Toumaverse magic work the same. If we follow the delusions theory, spells are given shape by the casters mind, thus susceptible to Imagine Breaker. Touma had very little problems stopping magically strengthened objects flying towards him before (Railgun in the manga, water dragon and golem in the anime) so the problem lies not so much in whether the objects are physical, but more where the objects are when canceled. For example, the steel bars during the Accelerator fight were right above him. If he had canceled them then and there, gravity would still dictate a steel bar falling down on him.

Sheba · 2009-03-23, 06:57

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Doesn't that argument still depend entirely on the irrational assumption that 'magic' means the same thing between the series?

I'll agree and add that Nanoverse magic works on ambiguous grounds. We have seen ships powered by artificial linker cores; it may be not a big stretch to say that magic in nanoverse is nearly equivalent to alchemy in FMAverse.

At this point, we can chant Arthur C. Clarke's mantra.

stormturmoil · 2009-03-23, 08:57

Actually, the STAB uses Niven's Corollary:

Any sufficiently advanced Magic is indistinguishable from technology.

Though god help them if The Warlock shows up and starts up a Warlock's Wheel Factory...

@Tshouryuu: apologies for the spelling error, and by all means you can use the names...

MeisterBabylon · 2009-03-23, 09:46

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Originally Posted by LoweGear

Some Crack 4 You

*RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNZ*

Where's the black dude? Every zombiefest has to have a black dude! And I love black dudes, cos they never survive!

Tempy · 2009-03-23, 10:00

If Teana is Zoey, who gets to be Louis? Maybe Zafira, since he is of darker skin... (inb4 "that's racist!"). Genya is Bill, and Francis is... hmm... Nove? Or maybe someone else...

Also, I call Smoker.

MeisterBabylon · 2009-03-23, 10:19

Needs to be balder. In the meantime, I call Anita the Witch. Oh f--

*is incapacitated in 1 hit*

See?!

Saint X · 2009-03-23, 10:21

*Folds in*

Meanwhile as events unfolded for the Bureau in the bounds of Ordered Space...

Things were also happening for the GDI in the Neutral Zones...

and closing fast towards Ordered Space

======

All sectors clear and okay...

All functions normal...

Stability checked and ok...

All units standby...

Spoiler for And Go!:

Finally the moment has come... and also dibs on the song as well as the idea.

*defolds to finish the profile just as he sees Exelica reload from her rifle pod*

LoweGear · 2009-03-23, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Tempest Dynasty

and Francis is... hmm... Nove? Or maybe someone else...

Francis is Vice obviously

And Alto is the chopper pilot

Keroko · 2009-03-23, 10:32

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Originally Posted by Saint X

*Folds in*

Meanwhile as events unfolded for the Bureau in the bounds of Ordered Space...

Things were also happening for the GDI in the Neutral Zones...

and closing fast towards Ordered Space

======

All sectors clear and okay...

All functions normal...

Stability checked and ok...

All units standby...

Spoiler for And Go!:

Finally the moment has come... and also dibs on the song as well as the idea.

*defolds to finish the profile just as he sees Exelica reload from her rifle pod*

Ah, I love the increasing trend of Mecha Musume shows. <3

MeisterBabylon · 2009-03-23, 10:33

Artei: If there's anything I like better than girls, it's girls in powered armor! >=D
Vice: So that's how you convinced Arisa to wear one of your creations!

Artei: Yup!

Arisa:

...

Vice: Good luck, Allelujah! I only just saw Marie.

Artei: ...

Consider Artei and the Diviners involved with any of Excelica!

Saint X · 2009-03-23, 10:47

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Originally Posted by Keroko

Ah, I love the increasing trend of Mecha Musume shows. <3

Actually...

that's the animated OP for the upcoming PS2 Game Triggerheart Exelica Enhanced

FYI: Nana Mizuki is the VA of one of the mains/playable characters.

LoweGear · 2009-03-23, 10:49

The interesting thing about Excelica is how portable it truly is to the Nanohaverse with little modifications, as proven by the awesome animation

Keroko · 2009-03-23, 10:52

PS2? Che- If it was PS3 I'd be marking it down for an import...

Here's to the hope they'll animate it.

MeisterBabylon · 2009-03-23, 10:55

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Originally Posted by LoweGear

The interesting thing about Excelica is how portable it truly is to the Nanohaverse with little modifications, as proven by the awesome animation

As long as SaintX doesn't go dibs on everything and leave us with nothing but ORIGINAL CONTENT to work with.

...wait. Maybe that IS the point.

Saint X · 2009-03-23, 11:16

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Originally Posted by LoweGear

The interesting thing about Excelica is how portable it truly is to the Nanohaverse with little modifications, as proven by the awesome animation

Well I intend to plot that in... and add a bit more so that they have that "nanoverse" feel to it.

I'm trying to complete this!

And yes

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LimitedEternal · 2009-03-23, 11:23

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Originally Posted by Saint X

Well I intend to plot that in... and add a bit more so that they have that "nanoverse" feel to it.

I'm trying to complete this!

And yes

Page Claim to REKINDLED ACTIVITY

What? Saint X, out of development hell? Unpossible!

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Arkeus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008	Note two things: 1st, imagination breaker, at least where i was, is limited to touma's hand: If it comes down to it, Nanoha could easily target Touma's head with a good numbers of shooters. 2nd: Imagination Breaker, as its name suggest, breaks down delusion. If it works like AMF and destroys magic, purely accelerated attacks like stardust Fall/ Railgun should worry him. If it doesn't and attack the base of it... Well, it, as James said, depends wether Nanoverse' magic is a delusion, or simply a fancy name for an energy the body can collect (remember there are artificial magical power cores like the ones in HQ/Cradle. AS TK said, it comes down to, so far, Author's Word.

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